Never drive for a company that starts you out below .40 cents a mile!

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by tahokid, Jan 22, 2015.

  1. Trckdrvr

    Trckdrvr Heavy Load Member

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    If this thread is only about money$$(I didn't read the whole thread)
    I will have to add..If the carrier you are working for is a good "Fit" for you and you run where you want and when you want then taking a few cents less in top pay is a good trade-off(just my opinion)..
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    I will add...financial success or security isn't only about what you make but more importantly what you do with it..

    I would hope some people would have learned that lesson after the recent economic collapse of '08..
    I watched many many people and neighbors making $100k a year lose the house cars and wind up Broke..


    While another neighbor and his wife with only a household income of $50k but had everything paid off remain happy in their homes..
     
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  3. TNMT

    TNMT Light Load Member

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    As long as we blame the new driver, lease operator, O/O for being dumb, experienced, for taking crap jobs, or failing. We let the industry continue to abuse drivers. Blaming them holds nobody in power accountable. There is just too many drivers out there. NO matter how smart or dumb there are only so few good jobs. As drivers we should hold those crap jobs accountable not those who work there. Having drivers well trained, paid well, good benefits, improves my quality of life on the road. What doesn't improve my life is saying " Yea I got it great, those others are getting what they deserve for being pieces of xhit, too bad for them."
     
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  4. tahokid

    tahokid Light Load Member

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    Now I started this thread to help those more so that are ignorant to the facts, that these bottom feeder carriers are like the plague.
    And that newer drivers and existing drivers as well need to weigh all the facts carefully before making a decision about a carrier.

    If drivers are with them because they are home every weekend, that's their choice. And I completely understand.

    And I disagree about 50% on your statement of financial success or security. And here's why. It is 50% about what you make, because you cant take 700.00 and manage a life and secure future as someone who makes 1400.00 weekly. You have to make it in order to manage it. And newbies in allot of cases end up broke because of it and in allot of cases not making enough.

    And as far as 2008, please tell me your not blaming that on the truckers in the trucking Industry. The people who did great during that mange their money properly, I made out great myself. But there were things outside of transportation that have nothing to do with drivers or trucking that caused that. So I disagree with anything that points to drivers on that, there are 100 plus reason it could happen again. And it still could happen yet. A good ole fashion truckers strike could even cause it, but we all know that'll never happen and in the end would change the industry when it comes to pay and benefits.

    I do agree no matter what you make, you had better live according to it or go broke.
    Newer drivers and those especially in schools now had better do some research on the carrier they are interested in.

    I wonder, if 75% of those coming out of driving schools leave the industry before the first years up, I wonder what the percentage of them is because they go bankrupt? Im sure it high. You have to have money in order to manage it. If you settle for a below average paying job, you hurt us all as a whole.
     
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  5. tahokid

    tahokid Light Load Member

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    Yea the only thing here is if you make more per mile, you work less. If you make less, you work more. If drivers would stop taking below average jobs, we'd all bring the scale up a bit which would even out the playing field a bit on both pay and miles.

    I've never understood why someone would want to make less per mile just to work harder and the only one that profits is the carriers, but its affecting us all as a whole and the industry will never change if especially newer drivers and those coming out of schools arent informed that they need to research carriers well when it comes to money and benefits.
     
  6. wsyrob

    wsyrob Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    The best way to compare companies is take the pay package and boil it down to $$$ per day. You also want to know how many days off you get and what the insurance costs.

    We could do that here if everyone agreed to a format. Take your gross pay at the end of a quarter/half/full year and divide it by the number of days you worked. A day off is defined as a 24 hour period without working. That means the typical "trucker weekend" 34 hour break is only 1 day off.

    60k per year with 100 days off would be $226 per day on average. This method captures bonuses, hourly pay, drop pay, vacation pay, and anything else.

    80k with 50 days off would be $253 per day average.

    The first guy is pretty much only working a 5 day week. The second guy works about 12 on 2 off.

    Calculate your per day average then you have a basis for comparison with what other companies offer.
     
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  7. Trckdrvr

    Trckdrvr Heavy Load Member

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    I certainly don't want to argue particularly with you on your own thread..
    but I will continue to stress that you are incorrect in your thinking

    it isn't what you make ..its (the most important)what you DO with it..

    Millionaires have gone broke time/time again..

    Willie Nelson owed the .Govt 16million in taxes..Do you have ANY idea what his income had to be for him to OWE 16million in just taxes on his income?
    and yet he filed and went Bankrupt?

    Life/happiness is not determined by what you make but how you live,the quality of life you have and what you do with it(both life/money)

    As far as drivers pay?..its a free market and the market will even itself out(always has/always will)



    Im done.
     
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  8. pattyj

    pattyj Road Train Member

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    Most the drivers today are new and recruiters get to them before the veteran drivers can talk them out of making a mistake.Unfortunately only a small handful comes to forums and takes the advice from members.They think recruiters knows it all and in the meantime the recruiter is saying another sucker born and laughing.
     
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  9. tahokid

    tahokid Light Load Member

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    I understand your point, but only meet you half way on it. Because if you have no money to manage in the first place, how can you have a strong financial platform to work on.

    Management and income are both very important.

    In this Industry we have drivers that if they added up all their time, they might be making 15.00 an hr if that. Allot of jobs outside of transportation are paying more for less sacrifice compared to what OTR driver lives with.

    And as far as argument, No argument here man. Thanks for the post!
     
  10. DenaliDad

    DenaliDad Retired Wheel Dog

    Two reasons:

    1. There are drivers who get blinded by the companies' "Our average drivers make $XX,000 per year!" claims without asking how the company gets to that 'average', and,

    2. There are many folks who are underemployed or unemployed and who have had the childhood dream of 'driving the big rigs.'

    Put them together with the unending stream of people going through their doors and what motivation do the starter companies' executives have to increase starting pay? They know they will have 100%+ turnover each year.
     
  11. Redtwin

    Redtwin Road Train Member

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    Someone who couldn't get a job that paid higher.

    0.21 x 3,000 miles is $630 before taxes. That is considerably more than you can get working in in pretty much any entry level job that doesn't require a degree. It may sound like nothing to you, but someone making half that working the fryer at McDonalds would probably disagree with you. Someone like that who is used to earning much less would most likely know how to live quite comfortably on $630 per week.

    I know I did.
     
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