New Driver/ Roll Over Accident

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Sidetrack, Dec 17, 2007.

  1. Scarecrow03

    Scarecrow03 Road Train Member

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    And had you hit him, regardless of how close he was (I wasn't there, but I seriously doubt he was only a foot in front of you), you would have been the one cited and responsible for the accident had you not avoided it. Oh sure, you could've gotten a lawyer and perhaps had some of the blame assigned to the other guy in court; however, your driving record and insurance rates would have still worsened as most likely the majority of the blame would have been placed on you. With the way you think, it must just be an freak of nature that there are thousands and thousands of professional truck drivers who have millions of safe, accident free, miles. My father is one. Fourty-five years of steering and gearing without ever having an accident.


    1.How is it exactly that neither of the two examples I gave are not acts of God? Maybe you have a confused notion of who God is and what He controls.
    2.Nor did I state you said to swerve. I was merely showing how people do make mistakes. There are people other than you and I reading these posts.


    Again, show me any safety director, insurance company, or court who will allow being a human being and making mistakes (which doesn't always equate poor judgment) as a viable excuse to be completely exonerated from all fault.


    I thought it was pretty clear. Seems like others on this forum thought so as well. Perhaps you should be introduced to Tip. He too believes in wacked out conspiracy theories. Maybe you should compare notes with him.

    Go sell crazy somewhere else. We're all stocked up here.
     
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  3. Scarecrow03

    Scarecrow03 Road Train Member

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    While I'm not going to split hairs with how much experience you have versus myself, I will defend the fact that you mistakenly said I have one year. Read it again, I have four years (4). And I am talking about how things are viewed from the perspective of the court systems, insurance companies and safety departments.

    Thick headed argumentative truck drivers. I swear.
     
  4. myminpins

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    :biggrin_2559::biggrin_2559::biggrin_2559: I know!!!!!!!
     
  5. witchwaywest

    witchwaywest Medium Load Member

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    Scarecrow,you read me wrong.A heartless trucker?no.I am raising a son up after my wife died of cancer.Am I doing it right,again no books will work for that,again no book will work for grief,just time.Life throws many things at you,how you react will be most important.Trucking is for some but not for all.Don't think I don't have white knuckles driving on ice or snow,I do .Trucking is trucking,it's fun and keeps you busy and it's better than being chained to a desk.My late wife went on many trips with me.My son however likes homelife better.Future trucker? Proably not.
     
  6. Scarecrow03

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    Sorry for your loss, witchwaywest. I know first hand how cancer can destroy a person and cause so much undue grief and pain. I won't pretend to know exactly how you feel, as that would be an insult, but I can say I empathize with you. I lost my grandpa on my mom's side to cancer and my step dad is a fortunate cancer survivor who at one time only had a 10% chance of living. He's alive and kicking now, one lung and all
     
  7. arigo

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    I'm well aware of who the blame would be placed on, and it's irrelevent. I've never seen someone throw around so many logical fallacies constantly. Look up slippery slope. The issue is and always has been whether or not it's realistic to say a trucker should be ready for anything. By giving even one scenario where a trucker can't be ready for it, it makes the statement unrealistic because there are exceptions. There are certainly plenty of accident-free truckers, but it's simply a matter of statistical chance if you're given a situation you can't be ready for.
     
  8. Scarecrow03

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    In theory, every power that (superficially) reigns over a truck driver says that as a professional we are expected to be ready for anything and everything. Human nature keeps this from happening in practice, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still expected. Any time an error is made that, in theory, could have been avoided then the blame goes back to the truck driver.

    Bottom line, end of discussion.
     
  9. palerdr

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    1. were you in a curve when this happened?

    2. were there speed limit signs posted ?

    3. is it possible you were going too fast?

    comment... both of the other drivers are right to a certain degree. you have to expect the unexpected . on the other hand... being ready is one thing but reaction time and stopping distance is another. in heavy traffic... if some numbskull fails to see a big truck right next to his driver's side window, and he cuts into you.. who's fault is it? you obviously cannot control how other ninkenpoops drive , but you can make every effort to keep your distance and use your horn..whether he heeds the warning or not is another story all-together. I'm amazed that there aren't more accidents than there are , the way these stupid idiots in the 4 wheelers drive . it's unbelievable how impatient an adult can be. i still can't believe it and never will. no common courtesy what-so-ever.



     
  10. Sidetrack

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    First of all, thank you all. Several of you asked if I fell asleep. No, I had just left a rest stop where I had a bit to eat and I took a short walk. I was about 90 miles from the truck stop where I was going to shut down for my 10 hr. brk. Werner dispatchers are under pressure to get loads delivered for the least amount of cost and in the shortest amount of time, safely and leagally. Most drivers have to drive their 11 and rest 10 and repeat the cycle, running out their 70 hrs. of service and then are told they should not do a re-set but drive whatever hours are given them by the paperless log system. If you decline a load they will give you less loads and you sit a day or two or are given shags to run. Needless to say, new drivers are driving to the point of exhaustion. For myself, I was not sleepy. One minute I am driving and the next thing I know, I'm on my side. Witnesses say that it looked like I was about to exit and changed my mind and overcorrected. I don't know. I have no memory of that happening. Company personal have repeatedly asked me to repeat what I thought had happened. They are asking a lot of probing questions that appear as innocent but are intrusive and probing. I'm still in a "wait and see" posture wainting for my injuries to heal up so that I can hopefully go back to work. But I'm not going back to work for the piddly $6.00 and hour that the new Werner/Swift/Schneider/etc, etc. averages on a typical 14 hour work day. Let's face it, you drive your 11 and go to line 1 and start your 10 hour break. That's when you do all your line 4 work.
    That's how my briken english speaking, green card driver/trainer taught me. Half the time when I was on my break I had to get up to talk to shp/rec/etc to interpret for him. I am Sidetrack and I wish all of you well.
    Merry Christmas
     
  11. myminpins

    myminpins Road Train Member

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    I was in two car accidents over the years and I'll tell you I still don't remember what happened JUST BEFORE the accident. You brain wipes it out. You'll probably never remember.

    I hope you're okay and can find a better job afterward. Good luck and Merry Christmas.
     
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