New guy needing help.

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by ShowBob, Oct 8, 2011.

  1. ShowBob

    ShowBob Bobtail Member

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    Ladies and Gents,

    I'm looking to get into trucking and have done some very basic research so far but am here to aquire advice and info. I would be a third generation trucker but the previous two generations are not alive to educate me properly so here I am. Here are some of my major questions.
    Have mercy on me as I am also new to the forum.

    How do I get in with zero experience?
    Are there major trucking companies headquartered here in GA?
    What is an average expectation for first year wages?

    I probably have a million more questions but thats a good start for now.
    I'm a young married guy with at least one baby on the way. My wife is gonna work until the baby is here in April so I'm looking to make a career transition (OTR or city) by December or so.

    thanks in advance,
    me:biggrin_25519:
     
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  3. STexan

    STexan Road Train Member

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    Trucking has changed a lot the last 10 years. Anyone who left trucking 20 years ago would be very shocked at the way things are today. So, it's probably best for today's trucking that you come in "green". The older drivers are mostly not happy. The job has increased it's base mileage pay rates, but factor in all the new procedures, regs, and shorter hauls, I think the avg driver is making less today than 15 years ago, adjusted for inflation. The only real upside of today's trucking (if it's a plus for you) is home time has improved over 10-20 years ago. But that comes at a cost of shorter runs (fewer miles and more time waiting for next dispatch, loading, and unloading) in a smaller geographical area, trying to keep you close to home so they can get you home.

    Check the Atlanta Sunday paper, you will see at least a dozen major carriers offering OTR & Regional positions who train in GA looking for "new" drivers. After you've been in a while you will realize there is very little difference between an "OTR" driver and a "regional" driver.
     
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  4. ShowBob

    ShowBob Bobtail Member

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    Thanks a lot STexan. I really appreciate it. Gotta pick up some papers anyway so I'll take your advice.:biggrin_255:
     
  5. jlkklj777

    jlkklj777 20 Year Truckload Veteran

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    You will have 2 choices to get into this industry. First you can pay for the training/schooling out of pocket and then hire on as a student driver or find a carrier willing to put you through school in exchange for agreeing to drive for that company for at least 1 year (indentured servant aka "slave").

    Either method will get you in the door but if you can pay for your own training you will have more choices when it comes to who you go to work for (or at least apply to).

    In some states they have government programs for re-training unemployed workers. This may be an option and could potentially save you thousands of dollars in tuition costs.

    The insurance companies require new truck drivers attend an accredited trucking school before they will agree to underwrite a new driver. This is why the smaller, more reputable carriers, require experience before they will even consider your application.

    The large mega carriers are self insured for the first million dollars in accidents and claims so they have more flexibility when it comes to hiring new drivers and students.

    It will take some where between 4 and 8 weeks on average for schooling. Once you have passed the training program AND have a CDL in your hand you will have to apply for work as a new "student driver." This means you will be assigned to a trainer or driver mentor for another 4 to 6 weeks. In some cases (again depends on the company you are working for) it could be several months before you are "upgraded" to a first seat driver and are assigned your own truck.

    As a new driver you may find it difficult to find a local or even regional job depending upon what part of Ga you live in. You can expect to be away from your wife and kids for at least a week at a time and more than likely 2 to 3 weeks at a time when you first start out.

    Carriers will expect you to be available 5 to 6 days out of the week. Getting you home on a regular basis is not really their main priority. They expect you to hustle and make THEM money first and foremost. Be a good boy and stay on the road for 3 weeks at a time and they may allow you to take the truck home with you for 3 days (normally you will be allowed 1 day off for each week out).

    As for pay...... It varies greatly but you should see training wages of around 300 to 500 per week gross (depending on the company). After you get your own truck, normal pay will be around .25 cpm (cents per mile) to .30 cpm. So, if you are able to get 2500 "paid miles" per week you should earn somewhere between 600.00 and 800.00 per week.

    You will inspect the truck daily for free. You will fuel the truck for free. You will most likely swap trailers, and bump docks for free. This industry (especially the OTR part) will expect you wait around at customers with very few offering any kind of compensation. Some carriers may offer a detention pay program but you will give up the first 2 hrs for free no matter what.

    Keep in mind you will not get paid for "every mile" you drive either. This industry uses computer programs that are famous for shorting miles. Rand McNally aka Household Movers Guide is the oldest and worst routing program out there and could be up to 10% off on a trip.

    There is alot about this industry that is truly UGLY and right at the top of the list is divorces and BROKEN HOMES. Beware if you go forward in this industry. You may find a job just to lose your family because you weren't around enough.

    A better choice would be to go to school for nursing. At least you will be paid for your time (on an hourly basis) and be home daily to see your family. The choice is yours.
     
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  6. ShowBob

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    Let me tell you this. That is a very honest reply and I greatly appreciate it. I've been reading here for about an hour solid and have seem many slighted and jaded representations of the trucking industry. Your info though seems right down the middle and well, true. Family is definately the number one now and forever. There's not one job I'd sacrifice them for. As for nursing, you have me thinking . . . . I can say so far though, Swift has been slow to actually respond to me. lol

    cheers and many thanks,
    :biggrin_255:
     
  7. crazy4chrome

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    See you are off to a good start. You posted at the right time and 2 people gave you straight up info.
    Research everything you can on the companies/schools that appeal to you.
    There is only a few starter companies that will train you,call a recruiter for each of them and ask them the same list of questions you have.

    Good Luck
     
  8. jlkklj777

    jlkklj777 20 Year Truckload Veteran

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    Im not trying to scare you away from trucking, just to inform you what you may be in store for.

    I have been doing this job for almost 20 years now. Sure I make decent money now a days but i spend over 300 days per year AWAY from home and AWAY from my family just to make a decent paycheck.

    I missed birthdays, holidays, anniversaries, and family get togethers because the job came first. I rationalized it by telling myself I was giving my family everything I never had when I was growing up; Financial security and medical insurance instead of welfare, food stamps, subsidized housing and medicaid.

    My wife has had new cars every 4 to 5 years and 3 different houses. We moved closer to the freight lanes so I could get home more often.

    My kids had nice toys including their own laptops when they were in 5th grade. New clothes and new gadgets every year. Their own cellphones once they hit jr high.

    The results? 1 child collapsed while I was on the road from being sick and later died in my arms without ever waking up. The other 2 are drop outs and could not care less about me because "I was never around."

    I am a very cynical person now a days and wonder if it was all worth it. In retrospect I would have to say no. It wasn't. I wish I had made other choices.

    I truly wish you the best of luck (and for your families sake I hope you reconsider this field).
     
  9. STexan

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    To add and FWIW, there essentially are 2 types of drivers out here. those who want to strike a balance between reasonable home-time and reasonable pay and those with no family ties and want to run and make money, and see all 48 states (and maybe some Canada) once a year, and could care less about home time so long as they are moving or in the middle of a needed 34 hr restart.

    If you want home-time, some carriers are better than others, and the same can be said for finding a carrier for maximum miles and 48 state touring. I guess what I'm trying to say is it can be hard to find the right company that fits with your lifestyle and needs and goals because they are all unique in various ways in how they utilize their assets and how that affects the drivers in the various internal fleets and how much consistency (if any) can be realized.
     
  10. BigJohn54

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    THE PLAN
    Here's my standard copy and paste advice. Remember this information reflects my opinions based on the facts and information that I have. I hope you find something of value in it. It is aimed toward helping new drivers avoid common misconceptions, disappointments and pitfalls within the industry. The most important thing you can do is search and read. Find out everything you can about becoming a professional driver and what will be expected of you. There is so much more to this profession than just driving. You will be expected to know and understand the laws and regulations that affect the industry. Armed with facts, form some realistic expectations. This profession is not for the "faint of heart". It will be a good fit for some and not for others. This profession is not what you think it is.

    You need to research and find out what the important questions are. You can make an above average living but you will make sacrifices that other jobs don't require. Do a lot of reading in the "Good & Bad Trucking Companies" section of the TTR Forum and get an idea of what company you want to work for and what type of trailer you want to pull. Don't just go to school and then try to figure out where to go to work. Set some long-term goals and figure out what steps you must take to reach them. Becoming a "professional driver" should be a step you use to reach your long-term goals, not a long-term goal.

    YOUR MVR, CRIMINAL & JOB HISTORY
    You must research these subjects to determine how they will affect you and your personal history and records. You would be absolutely amazed at how often schools will train you when you may not be employable as a professional driver. Their objective is to get you a CDL and them your cash. Job placement is second to this.

    As a professional driver your MVR will be second in importance only to your health, protect your CDL. All companies look at your MVR and have limitations on how many and what type of violations you can have. They also have a limit on how many accidents you can have. Most set a limit that is some combination of tickets and accidents over a three or five year period. Be aware that speeding in excess of 15 MPH over the posted speed limit is considered reckless driving in our industry. In addition, many violations, such as improper passing, will be recorded on your MVR as reckless or careless driving. Reckless or careless driving and truck rollover accidents can be a career ender.

    Criminal convictions can present a problem to entry into the industry. Each company has their own policies on this. Treatment of misdemeanors varies widely among companies. Most companies want either three, five, seven or ten years since a felony conviction. I have read driver requirements on some company websites that say no felony or misdemeanor convictions ever. Certain convictions such as aggravated and sexual offenses, alcohol, drugs and theft are also very hard to overcome. Alcohol and drug offenses can be a career ender.

    I have personally spoken with a company that will not take you if you have more than eight months unemployment in the last thirty-six months. That is pretty tough in the current job market. I have also spoken with a company that responded to a longer term of unemployment with, "You were a stay at home dad, right?" You will have to account for all your employers for the past three years and provide detailed contact information. Your job history is important and you must explain and document any gaps. A less than ideal job history can limit your opportunities.

    Now don't let any of this stop you from pursuing your goals. Just be aware of the drawbacks before investing your time or money and be realistic in the expectations you have for your situation. Don't go through training and find out you can't get a job. I have read success stories, on this forum, from drivers who had only a slim chance of finding a job.

    RECRUITING & TRAINING
    Just be aware that most school and trucking company recruiters are subject to deceive you or lie to you. They will let you talk about what you want and then tell you what you want to hear; based on what you have told them you wanted. Trucking is about moving freight to make money for the company. Your home time, family, paycheck and everything else comes second to this.

    Each person's financial situation is different. Don't take training from a company if you can afford to pay for it, get financial aid or even finance your training. If you do take company furnished or sponsored training, you will be contractually obligated to this company for up to year. If you leave, without fulfilling your contract, they will trash your DAC and credit reports and turn the balance over for collection. Many times you can find less expensive, and sometimes higher quality, training at community colleges or technical schools. Sometimes you may be able to get assistance with training costs. Check with the schools and your local employment office for possible financial aid.

    Regardless of your driving choice, after school you will go through company training. This can be a few weeks to a few months. Often drivers wait a week or two for their trainer to pick them up. Recently companies seem to be banking drivers in anticipation of needing replacements and trainer wait times may be increasing. During the first phase of training pay is often $400 a week and the second phase is usually $500 - $550 a week. Some companies pay less and some pay a little more. Some companies are poor at training and just run you team with your trainer. Check into this. Your trainer should be in the seat beside you, training you, not sleeping so he can drive the next shift.

    You don't want to wait around too long after training or you'll have trouble finding a job. If you get out of trucking before you have a year in, when you try to make a comeback later you will find they want you to start over. Make sure the school you choose will be accepted by the companies you want to work for.

    THE JOB & PAY
    Driving a truck is not like any other job. Local driving can be backbreaking delivery work 10 - 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. Often you unload dozens of times a day or you are a salesman. You may park quite a distance away and make multiple trips with a hand truck to get your deliveries in and up steps. In my area most dump truck jobs pay no more than a good factory job. Regional driving is lots of loading and unloading time, fewer miles than OTR but the work is not as hard as local. The repeated waiting while loading and unloading will wear on you, push your HOS limits and reduce the miles you can run. Typical OTR driving is out for 3 - 5 weeks with 3 - 4 days home. It entails less manual labor, usually less loading/unloading and more miles. Many OTR drivers have taken local jobs to be home more and gone back to OTR so they wouldn't be too tired to do anything when they were home.

    You'll probably have to pay your dues before you get the gravy job. Many local driving jobs want OTR experience while local experience is seldom useful for OTR jobs. Weekends off, if you are lucky enough to get something like that starting out, may be home Thursday afternoon and leave Saturday morning or home Friday night and leave Sunday afternoon. Loads often deliver early Monday and you leave in time to get them there. Often your home time will be in the middle of the week. Some jobs do get you home for 36 - 48 hours on the weekend. Your location will play a big part in all of this.

    New OTR driver starting pay is usually about $25,000 - $40,000 annually. It will often be less if you choose regional because you will drive fewer miles. Don't use high weekly mileage numbers to calculate your potential pay since this will often lead to disappointment. Obviously you will know your pay per mile so many companies will exaggerate your weekly mileage to make their job position seem more appealing. I would use 2300 - 2800 as a weekly mileage figure. If loads are slow or the economy is soft, you often find yourself begging for 2000 miles a week. This will vary widely and some companies may run you 3000+ miles a week.

    Above all be aware that time equals miles and miles equal pay. If you spend a lot of time at home or loading and unloading your pay will suffer. Some companies will utilize your hours well; keep you busy and you won't require a 34-hour reset. Some companies will use your hours poorly, reset you in Nowhere, USA every weekend and never get you any miles. Most OTR companies don't put any value on local experience so it is better for your career to drive OTR first, if you will ever want that option, or to get that good local job.

    Don't forget to factor in the cost of living while on the road. If you get a day off for each week out, that will be about 319 days (45.6 weeks) a year on the road. Spending $4 for breakfast, $8 for lunch and $12 for supper will cost $24 per day. At this rate, you will spend $7,656 per year on meals. You can easily spend $10,000 a year when you add laundry, showers and other items that maintaining a home away from home entails. IMHO, A frugal person can probably get by on $4,500 - $6,000 per year.

    GETTING HIRED
    All the big companies have websites and online applications. Isn't this great and convenient? IMHO, no it isn't. While it is a fact that most of them will require you to fill out their online application at some point, I would not depend on this to get hired. I have read posts from drivers who were approved but their application got lost in the system. They made a phone call and were in orientation a few days later.

    I personally believe, and know when I have been in a position where I hired; someone that proves they want that job is more desirable. Visit the company you want to work for if possible. If not then call them. Then fill out the online application. If you make an impression, someone will be waiting for your application to push it through the process. If they make you do the online application first, still follow up in-person or by phone. Make them want to hire you. You need to do something or be someone who stands out from the crowd. Do regular follow-ups by phone on the jobs you really want.

    Too many new drivers just settle for a job from the list the school has. There are many more job options available. The school works in volume and looks the best when it says 90% of our graduates find employment. So obviously they get better results from companies that hire in higher numbers. These companies can hire all their graduates with the least effort on the school's part. If you have anything in your history that makes you less desirable than your competing job applicants, a phone or in-person interview will often bring the best or only results.

    MISCELLANEOUS
    Now I'll share some suggestions and some thoughts on common misconceptions. If you have no winter driving experience or are apprehensive about winter driving in a truck, consider attending school in early spring. This will give you several months to acclimate yourself to your new driving career before you have to tackle the chore of winter driving. It also will get you started in the busier time of year when more miles are usually available to make you more money.

    Often new drivers believe that a diving job will allow them to see the sites of our great country. While there will be some opportunities to do things, you will seldom pick the location. Some resourceful drivers manage to find things to do and even manage to get loads going somewhere they want to sightsee. For the most part, it is more likely, you'll see all the sites you can from the truck windshield on the Interstate or parked at the truck stop. Company policy varies with respect to out of route miles and use of their tractors for personal conveyance. Know your company's policy on these matters.

    Educate yourself on idling laws and your company's policy on engine idling. Find out if they have APUs (Auxiliary Power Units). You need an idling engine or an APU to keep you warm or cool during you off-duty/sleeper berth time. Find out what your company's policy is on inverters. You will need one for your computer or other electrical devices. Usually you will be limited to what you can plug into a cigar lighter/outlet.

    After researching come up with a short list of companies that meet your needs and requirements. Don't forget to consider and compare pay rate, potential miles, health insurance, retirement plan, idle policy, APU availability, layover pay, detention pay, rider policy, pet policy, Prepass, Pikepass and toll & scale reimbursement policy. I'm sure there are more and not all items apply to every company.

    Some companies pay a percentage of the load revenue instead of per mile. Some of these treat you as an employee and some treat you as an independent contractor. As an independent contractor taxes won't be withheld and you will be required to make quarterly payments for your income tax and social security. In addition, an independent contractor usually won't have health insurance or workmen's compensation. While percentage pay isn't inherently bad it is packed with pitfalls for a new driver. My advice is stay away until you understand the industry better. If you go this route, now or later, do lots of research.

    Where you live can affect your hiring options and your ability to get home time. Most companies won't hire from an area if they can't get you home. If you live in Florida, especially South of I-4, you will most likely have fewer hiring options. Due to cheap rates, many companies don't run that area. Do some extra research if you live in Florida.

    Just say no to lease purchases. Don't let your company persuade you to sign a lease purchase. While not all are a contract with the devil, all are designed so that you make the company as much or more money than you did as a driver. Often you are nothing more than a company driver with operating costs. Your personal needs, income and home time will come second to their loads and profit. Just like company training you have obligated yourself to comply with a contract that has dozens of pages insuring that you get the short straw. My advice is stay away until you understand the industry better, if not forever. If you go this route, now or later, do lots of research.

    While it is impossible to cover everything you need to know, this should at least make you realize there is much to research and consider before you take a leap into the deep end. Trucking is much like any trade or profession that offers a challenge, an advancement path and great pay. You can only learn the important things through experience on the job. Always protect your CDL; it is your means of making a living. Do not let anyone pressure you into making bad decisions. Be ever mindful of the responsibility you bear and the liability that mistakes can cost you and your company. Never operate a commercial vehicle above your skill or comfort level. Both will increase with experience.

    There isn't a single dedicated professional driver that won't tell you we need more professional drivers in this profession. Make a commitment to yourself right now to be more than a steering wheel holder. Take pride in what you do and others will see this. You will find it will make you feel good about yourself and pave the way to the jobs others only dream of. Good luck and go make us proud.
     
  11. mtnMoma

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    Sorry for your loss 777.
    I agree, it's very hard on families with children. Both my husband and myself had parent(s) that were OTR for wks and months at a time. Now our children are grown and grandchildren are starting preschool. My husband changed careers after about 15yrs and went OTR almost 4yrs ago and I start school in a couple of wks, we will be going team soon. Still tho, it isn't for everyone. Best advice I can give...research, research and research some more. Best thing is..you found the perfect site to do all that research! lol :biggrin_25517:
     
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