New Hours Of Service

This explains the ''brainwashing''..Enough said.

 

No offense but you only wish you could run 310 miles and gross $2,200.But i really do not want to go into a pissing match of my daddy can beat up your daddy and my package is bigger than yours..

I will agree to disagree with your thought process.

 

Read the FMCSA interpretation. This was totally valid. I was returning to my home terminal.... my home. I was unladen. I was not under any dispatch. I had no future load lined up. I was not involved in interstate commerce, I was within the bounds of the same state, I was on my time, in my truck, heading to my home for the weekend off. Notations were made in the e-log regarding this. This is not "fishy". I have been audited several times over the years, and these situations are not questioned. I have even been stopped by LEO and had log checked, showing OFF DUTY and driving. Was NOT issued any citation. It is a part of the regulatory interpretation that is somewhat unknown to most drivers, and may "seem" fishy, but is not fishy at all, when used within the parameters of common sense and in moderation. And NO, one does not have to return to where they last had a load and started this. That is not part of the interpretation by the FMCSA themselves. It is paranoia.

 

I have not one problem with stating that I will not abide by the regulations, to the absolute final, anal interpretation of each and every regulation. For instance, I never show more than 8-10 min for a pre/post trip. No matter how long it takes. I will lube my truck, change a headlight, put on new washer blades, etc, etc, etc, and not show any on duty time as "technically" required by the regulations. I will only show 10-15 min at a shipper/consignee, irregardless of how long it takes (well, I have shown up to 30 min when doing a driver assist or unload, regardless of how long it takes). I have mistakenly left the status in ON DUTY before. No problem. I just edit the entry, divide it up and reduce the time shown ON DUTY to what I want, and save it. The only part of the e-log that I have virtually no ability to "fudge" is the driving part.

This makes my point all along. The e-log is not as big of a deal as some would contend, for "most" situations, though not all. I never once stated in any post on this issue that I was never "creative" in how I use it. I am just amazed at how some will expend great amounts of energy trying to find fault with those that use e-logs. Who cares if I use one or not? I like it, it is not an issue for me, I have not lost revenue, I still am home as much as before.

 

..I believe you CowPie.I will not lie to you.I am pissed about the fact that i am a very ''hard'' working self employed trucker..Over history,small businessman work long hours..What the ''e-log'' will do to me is STOP me from making EXTRA MONEY as a self employed trucker..

This no different than going into a ''self employed'' business like a roofing company and telling these guys you are now required to work 8 hours a day and you are done..If that happened,many ''roofing'' companies would be forced to SHUT DOWN...I think it is just wrong on every level to put ''limits'' on someone wanting to work hard and go the extra mile to make ''great'' money..

IMO it is wrong on every level and we the ''hard'' working go-getters are being tossed under the bus.We the ''producers and hard workers'' are being targeted from the class envy.I swear they want us to be like the dumb sheep they are getting from the schools and work for FREE and SLAVE wages.Band us all together..

Again IMO it is wrong..What do they want to do.?.Give us all 100.00 bucks a day a cross the board and yell EQUALITY...?....

 

well said sir

 

You can edit your e logs? The company we are leased to are using Qualcomm E Logs. The guys who have them have no ability to change anything. If they accidentally forget to change status, they have to call office and have them do it. And they only get like 50 miles a week they can use for off duty driving.

I've talked to several of the drivers who have gone to e logs who have run out of hours at Cargill or North American Salt waiting to load. So they just stay there for the night when they live within 20-30 miles or less of the plants. That's where I cry foul. There's no way I'm sleeping in my truck when I'm a stones throw from my house. Paper or e logs. Ain't happening. Cause 99% of the time is because the shipper was backed up or some other bs out of my control.

Obviously not all E logs are created equal. At least it doesn't seem so. I thought all E Logs were the same, as far as the driver has no control over them expect changing duty status.

 

This all depends on the company ''parameters'' they set up..Landstar's Parameters are almost of the Nazi.They set them up as soon as your tires are rolling it puts you in ''on duty''.It is set up to allow you to go to walmart and back for 1 hour for personal time...YIPPIE...I want to go to wal mart...ROLMFAO...These people are nuts..

 

I'm with Raiderfanatic on this. We haul oilfield freight. Mostly frac sand. We aren't local, as we run 300-400 miles from home, but we still usually spend 2 or 3 nights a week at home, sometimes more. A while back I got a call in late afternoon. Left the yard at 6pm for Slaton, TX to load, then up to near Perryton, TX to unload, then home. I forget the actual specifics now, but I arrived back at the yard about 10 minutes over my allowed time. Now we run loose leaf, so no problem, but on elogs, I don't know how to make that work. And if anyone, including the DOT man, thinks I'm going to take my 10 hour break 10 minutes away from my wife and kids, they have another thing coming. And I don't believe im in the minority here.... I don't think the DOT man would even do that. Well, most of them anyway.

My point is, we need flexibility. And to lump all truckers into one group and imply a set of "one size fits all" rules just isn't right. What works for some doesn't always work for all.

 

Don't they lump all people on the highways together. They say the speed limit is 65. Some don't want to do 65 so they go 85. Some make it to their destination. Some go 85 and get a ticket.

I'm sure the company who hires thousands of workers could make extra money by dumping their waste into the the river. Instead of paying companies to come haul it away. It's all about you break the law you pay the fine. Yes these new HOS are crap just like the old ones. Saying you can only take a 34 once a week. As you see I took my 34 and I had 25 hours left on my 70. I took it because I had an opportunity, and I know they normally give my NYC loads out of Utah, and I didn't want to have to be doing those stupid recap hours. So If this law passes that will hurt having to do like old times b4 there was a restart, but. I'll have to do what I have to do. I have also got held up on the way home was 60 miles away, and my wife came and picked me up. If I'm 10 miles from the yard or customer on E logs and there is no safe place to stop. You can go over your limit. Now if you get stopped you still can get a ticket, but they are not going to bury you under the jail. My company has the 1 hour rule for pc as well, but you have to get permission to use it and it can only be used at the beginning or ending, but some times they make allowances to use it in the middle of your break. Glad our company doesn't have the strict parameters as some have. Also I only used PC probably 5 times in the 2 years we had e logs.

Even some scales will put you out of service and let you bobtail to go get something to eat. Or even tell you to go to the nearest safe haven to spend your Out of service break if on a road side inspection. It's not that serious folks.