New Hours Of Service

Stop trying use common sense and safety to argue hours of service because neither one has anything to do with hours of service !!!

You are just wasting time and energy .

We will do just like we have for the last 33 tears I have been doing this .

We will just shut and deal with it when it gets here if it gets here.

So man up shut up and deal with it it is what it is !!!

 

Did you see the car that flipped after hitting the driver that got ejected in the hammer lane ? I think the driver not wearing the seatbelt was their business .
As far as the snow goes it's a violation of OSHA regulation to get on top of a trailer without fall protection . If they want the snow cleared they need a legal and safe way to do it .

 

The 14 hour clock is unsafe and dangerous it causes drivers to drive when they shouldn't.If you want to take a 3 hour nap you should not be penalized for it.Some idiot with a PHD who knows nothing of the trucking life style wrote this rule.

 

The intent behind this law is to move trucks to a regular cycle. Most preferred is a day cycle. Would be correct if they were properly logging the waiting time at docks and for loads as on duty time like the law states.

 

Current HOS regulation changes don't bother me too much. If your schedule is so tight you can't take 30 minutes off after sitting in the seat for 8 hours, you should find another carrier or a good proctologist. 34 hr reset is something new, we did without it for about 60 years. Why do all these guys want to work so hard? 70 hour workweek? Most people in the real world think that is nuts. So do I .

 

While the elimination of the true split sleeper provision in the current HOS did make it basically a "penalty" to some extent to take a 3 hr nap, you do have to admit, that you have a 14 hrs in which to do the 11 hrs driving. And you do still have the 8 and 2 split you can use. I do once in a while. That the 14 is unsafe is a bit of a stretch. I am not sure why folks cannot seem to grasp this..... NO ONE IS FORCED TO DRIVE AT ANY TIME, ANY DAY, UNDER THE NEW RULES OR THE OLD RULES OR NO RULES! The only way it is "unsafe" is if folks do a lousy job at scheduling runs and then they have to make up for it in how they run. That is not a problem of the 14 hrs, it is the problem of incompetence. The HOS regulations are not a mystery. The conflict lies in how people book, schedule, and run the freight. Example..... if I know I will be needing a service on the truck, I will book my delivery with a buffer in it to cover the time I will need to get the truck serviced. This concept is the same for the hours of service. Everyone knows what the distance is, typical traffic conditions along that run (i.e. the run take you thru the bottom of the Chicago area), a quick check online can show the weather situation along that run, and what the HOS regulations are. Put all that together and come up with a realistic time for the run and delivery.

I like how some will do everything they can to blame something else for their own inadequacies and incompetence. So one might say, "the run is scheduled and I can't do anything about it". Ok, yes you can. How about don't haul it? If you are an independent, you have as much to say about the delivery as the customer. You then work out a solution both of you can live with or refuse the load. If you are with a carrier and they are inflexible on deliveries and put all the pressure on you, then find another carrier that doesn't do that. It is basically the same idea as this one...... A patient goes to the doctor and says, "Doc, it hurts when I do this". The Doc then answers, "Then don't do that".

 

The only thing that causes drivers to drive when they shouldn't is the driver . Regulations prohibit driving when ill or fatigued

 

Tried that at the last company I was at and was told to do the load whether tired or sick. Load was more important. Safety was contacted and they said the same.

Left after that.

 

It isn't about the regulations, what we had or didn't have, this is all about the federal government department's lack of oversight by the congress and returning back to having congress approve most if not all regulations for all departments.

We had a lot more. We even had a movie and ticket tax but since I think 1978, regulations have been going away or being simplified on some issues while others like EPA regulations are out of control.

Hoffa was all about Hoffa and his power, the OOIDA is an organization that depends on the members to bring them power, it is all up to the individual who either wants to vote and complain to their congressman and senator or stay quiet about these issues - something that the OOIDA does well ... get people to write their elected officials.

 

You can only drive for a maximum of 8 hrs after you start your day upon completion of your 10 hr break or reset and going back on duty-driving. Must be "Off Duty" or in the "Sleeper Berth" in order for it to count and it must be 30 consecutive minutes. Then you can resume driving for the remainder of what's left on your day (3 hours) for a total of 11 hrs drive time.

If your recap won't allow you enough hrs the following day (Meaning, you've pretty much used up all of your "70 Hours" prior to your 8th day of work) you will have to take a 34 hr reset in order to start fresh with a full 70 hours in which to work.

The new 34 hour break must now include two (2) time periods (Home terminal time) of 1 am to 5 am. Meaning if you shut down at 7 pm, Wednesday evening, you begin your 34. After midnight, the next day (Thursday) begins and 1 am rolls around and goes to 5 am. That's your first of two 1-5 am time periods covered. You still have one more to go.

You continue to remain off duty or in the sleeper for the remainder of Thursday. Midnight rolls around and it's now Friday early morning. You continue with your second segment of the 1 am until 5 am time periods that have to now be included with your 34 hr reset.

If you stopped like I said at 7 pm on Wednesday and it's now Friday morning at 5 am, you have now fulfilled the requirements for the new 34 hour restart rule.

Can you shut down later than 7 pm on Wednesday? Sure you can. But if it goes passed the time of 1 am, guess what? You just lost the opportunity to make the first segment of 1 am to 5 am and will now have to wait until Saturday rolls around for another 1 am to 5 am segment to be completed before you meet the requirements.

Also, you can only take a 34 hour restart once every seven (7) days. If you run like a dog and have to take a 34 hr restart by the end of your 5th day of work, no problem. However.......if you continue to run like dog and 5 more days have passed and you need another 34 hr restart, guess what? You are now parked for 2 days before you can even begin your next 34 hr restart. Why? Because 7 days have to pass before you can take another one. And if you're out of hrs by day 5, you are now on vacation, earning no money while you sit for at least the next 4.

Regarding a recap, say I had 13.5 hours worked on my first day and I'm coming up to my eighth day of work. If it shows I only have 3 hrs left on my 70 after completing my 7th day of work, if you do your recap correctly, you should gain those hours back after midnight, the next day, along with 3 you had left after you completed your 7th day of driving, making for 16.5 hrs you now have back on your 70 hr work week.

In summation, before the "New" hours of service rule, (And up until they go into effect July 1) you could drive for 11 hours straight.

You could do a 34 hour restart whenever it was needed to recharge your 70 hour clock.

There's more variables at work here as well. Say you started your 34......and after 24 hrs, you absolutely had to go back on duty and drive. Could you? Of course. No one ever said taking a 34 was mandatory, but if you want your full 70 hours back on your clock without having to worry about the lack of hours you have left for the next day of work,

If you time it correctly, it's possible you would never need a 34 hr restart. That's another subject and I've probably over loaded you with too much as it is.....