New O/O Here - Seeking Accurate Maint. Figures

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by BlissfulNobody, Feb 24, 2019.

  1. BlissfulNobody

    BlissfulNobody Bobtail Member

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    Mostly we are more of the latter. We've hung out a few times outside of work but not regularly
     
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  3. Accidental Trucker

    Accidental Trucker Road Train Member

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    Just fricken listen to @Ridgeline already!

    Let me circle back to the startup costs. The down payment for the truck is just a small part of it. You need to get the truck up and running (ELD, printer, computer or tablet, scanner, fridge, new mattress, etc, etc, etc, etc).

    Figure a couple of thou.

    First week out, you'll find a bunch of niggly stuff on the truck that's driving you nuts. Vents not working, mirrors jiggling, APU vibrating, window leaking, your phone not having coverage where you're driving, etc, etc, etc,.

    Figure another couple of thou.

    Now, you've got to buy your insurance, plates, registrations, Oregon deposit, etc, etc, etc, etc.

    Figure another couple of thou to ten thou.

    Then you've got to buy fuel, and run for 45 days before the money starts coming in, unless you give up big money for factoring (the payday lenders of the trucking industry). And make the truck payment. And the insurance payment, and eat, etc, etc, etc.

    Figure another ten thousand.

    Now, we haven't even discussed a trailer. Are you going to get a trailer for your 10%?

    Figure another 15 thou.

    Than, don't forget that you have to cover that major repair that is just waiting to come out of that shiny washed engine.......

    Better have 20K socked away just waiting for that. You know how I know that? Because even after doing due dilligence, the first truck I bought needed an inframe 3 months in. And I really didn't have the money.

    So, between the down payment, startup costs and financial reserves, you better have 75K you can afford to lose trying to play the trucking game.

    And we haven't even talked about 90% of WHAT?
     
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  4. IH Branded

    IH Branded Medium Load Member

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    Figure 20 cents per mile. Some years will be over some will be under but they'll average that I'll bet on it
     
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  5. Misesian

    Misesian Road Train Member

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    If this is a new company, he probably doesn’t have dropped trailers and customer contract freight. You’re basically running load board freight for 90%. There are plenty of these deals out there and I don’t like them. If you want to be an owner operator, lease in to an established fleet, pulling their trailers and contract freight.
    If you want to expand, get your own authority and work to establish customers. That takes a lot of time and usually requires a certain number of trucks and trailers no older than a certain number of years; at least when it comes to typical reefer contracts.
    I recommend leasing on to a good carrier pulling their trailer. If it’s flatbed, probably your trailer but those guys do very well for themselves.
    I sometimes think of expanding and hiring people but I’ve been burned already. The trucking industry has spent decades programming drivers to chase dollars; that doesn’t make you, the business owner, any money and the driver’s don’t stick around.
     
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  6. BlissfulNobody

    BlissfulNobody Bobtail Member

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    Thank you for giving constructive advice/criticism without just shooting down my plans.

    What are some good companies you can lease on to, pull their trailers, and make good money
     
  7. Misesian

    Misesian Road Train Member

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    What state and what are you wanting to pull? I pull reefer and that’s most of what I know and follow.
     
  8. 86scotty

    86scotty Road Train Member

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    @Blissful, i admire your zeal here but bro you are wanting people to tell you what you want to hear. I get your excitement. I get your looking at your total picture and seeing all of the advantages you have, and you do have some. My only worry is that you don't seem to want to hear guys with a lot of experience remind you about the ones you don't.

    I'm a pretty new O/O with my own authority and I work 100% load board freight. I invoice about a grand a day and where is all this 'getting rich' ????? Most of it is right back out the door. Insurance and your weekly fuel bill will cripple you like you can't imagine and that's if you get a reliable truck.

    I'm not trying to dissuade you. I recently did the same thing. Jump in, but take seriously some of the stuff that's being offered to you, for free by the way. Lots of failed truckers never heard of this forum, just blindly drove in to a black hole of debt and misery.

    One last thing about friends and how we were all working/connected with family a couple generations back. You are exactly right BUT people have changed! People are selfish. People are cruel. Back then families stayed together. They don't anymore, look around. Marriages don't last because people are selfish. Parents don't parent anymore because they are selfish. It ain't getting better. Get started with your friend if that's your advantage but I would have a SOLID exit strategy as mentioned above.

    Good luck amigo
     
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  9. BlissfulNobody

    BlissfulNobody Bobtail Member

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    I'm based out of Ohio but will happily run 48 states, looking to pull dry van but I'm open to reefer/flatbead/tanker (no experience with anything other than dry van though)

    If I don't end up working for my friend, I'm looking at Mercer Transportation out of Louisville. Heard some good things about them. And they will train you to pull flatbed quickly I believe. I recently reached out to a mentor who works with me. he used to be a successful owner operator before he quit due to a really bad accident that wasn't his fault. He (and others) are beginning to sway my mind away from working for my friend which literally hurts me a lot. I'm pretty sure my friend would be heartbroken

    Btw because people were asking about the specs on the truck I'm considering, here's what I know so far:

    -2015 Freightliner Cascadia
    -DD15 engine
    -10-spd manual (Eaton I think)
    -3.36 rear gear ratio
    -axles rated at 12k, 20k, 20k
    -350,000 mi
    -$69,000
    -$15k down payment and 12.5% interest is being asked by the lender because it's my first truck
    -All new tires
    -Brakes have good life left on em
    -No rust on frame or suspension components
    -Drove well on the test drive, seems like a solid truck to me, need to do more research on the truck's history admittedly

    The thing I don't understand is that the lending company is asking for a higher monthly payment than what I calculated online using the price/down payment/interest info above

    Thanks to everybody giving thoughtful discourse. I am listening to everybody but I'm also determined to do this. I will have roughly $45,000 in cash available before the down payment so that should provide some breathing room for me to get started
     
  10. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    How's the dyno results?

    Blowby?

    Did you get a full ecm dump?
     
  11. Misesian

    Misesian Road Train Member

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    Mercer, Tennessee Steel Haulers, Carrier One (Alsip, IL)

    As far as reefer, America’s Service Line (has a plant in OH), WEL Companies, Coldliner Express, Classic Carriers, Helwig, Mast, Grassmid, Roadrunner Refrigerated, Ascent Power (also Roadrunner but you have your own trailer, being in OH, you have lots of options for reefer.
     
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