New Pete O/O specs $149,000

The people warning you about EPA10 engines(SCR) should also warn you about EPA07 engines.
I would prefer a EPA10 to a EPA07.

But Meatmonkey,all off the above suggests,like Oscar allready said,you should do a hell off a lot more research before you buy anything.
It is quite clear that you are nowhere near ready to start up a trucking bussiness.(with all respect and no offence to you )

 

I think you should go company for a bit to get a grasp of how the industry has changed and what you might be getting yourself into.

 

I got a 3yr/300,000 base warranty with option for extended warranty on my rebuilt 60. That would be the base warranty of even brand new series 60's when they were coming off the line.

On to another point brought up, yep, if I were to get something other than a glider, I would stay away from the pre EPA 10 stuff. They just cranked up the EGR and flooded the engine with its own feces. At least the SCR allowed them to scale back on a lot of the EGR. That also had a side benefit, in that by doing so, less soot is being generated, and the DPF's are not doing regens near as often. So eventually, they will get all the bugs worked out. Frankly, I don't mind the SCR on a truck, it is the EGR that really bugs me. I would much rather they drop the EGR and crank up the amount of goat piss that gets shot in the exhaust to compensate. And by allowing the engine to be tuned for max efficiency and not having to eat its own feces, the amount of soot generation would come down substantially that the DPF would hardly ever have to regen. Until they figure something like this out, I am not interested. GM has made their small blocks so efficient now, that they do not even have EGR on them anymore. At least the 5.3L in my 2013 Silverado doesn't have EGR. If we could get back to where the diesels do not have EGR, then I think we can all live with this stuff a little easier. That would take several levels of complexity off the engine and also reduce substantially the demands placed on the cooling systems. A big win-win if they ever get EGR off the engines.

 

Let me start off by saying that I do not mean to sound like I am trying to talk you into or out of anything, and I am not trying to start a debate or argument with anybody. I am simply answering your question to the best of MY ability, and if I hurt anyone's feelings, or if I offend anyone I am sorry, that is not my intension. If you have been gone for 12 years, you WILL go back to truck driving school, you can buy all the $150,000.00 trucks you want but if you want to drive one of them yourself, you will go back to school. There isn't a insurance company(they literally control the entire industry) in the world that will touch you with 0 experience in the last 10 years. Most won't touch you without VERIFIABLE experience in the last 6 months. A lot has changed in the last 12 years except the pay(no joke) almost none of it benefits the driver. If $150,000.00 shocks you, and you have(by your own admission) no idea what urea is, then you need to go back to school, because you do not have a clue anymore. if you own your own truck(new or not) fuel is now $4.00 per gallon.(That's $900.00 American to fill up) If it was bad enough to make you quit 12 years ago, you absolutely are going to hate it now. If you were able to accumulate an extra $150,000.00 doing the wrong job, I think you should take about 5000 of those dollars and take a really nice vacation, then go right back to the wrong job, because most people in this industry don't have that kind of money laying around. Again don't mean to offend anyone, just my $0.02....

 

Hey Meatmonkey,
You mentioned that you have $150,000 cash available. If so that's awesome and congratulations because when you go to the dealer - you have the power. Take your money in stacks of hundred dollar bills and watch them freak out. Lol. You can deal in your favor. If they want $150 - tell them that you are willing to pay $130. CASH MONEY. if all else fails let me know, I'll be happy to drive your truck and make you money, as well as a little for myself. best of luck to you. And I'm serious about being a driver.
Bill. -- storms328@gmail

 

What about Colorado, Nevada, New York? What about ports in Texas, Maryland or Washington state? As long as you never go to any of those places you should be good for at least 4 years.

 

what?? i go to Colorado all the time, Nevada even more. and Maryland, Texas and Seattle...Ive never ever had them ask for even for the year of my truck..just went to Port of Baltimore last week.

 

We are in the Port of Baltimore and Tacoma every week, this is the first of this that I have heard of. Although there is talk of emission standards in the Ports in WA, but they sound like they are a ways off, and not going to be near as stringent as those in CA.

 

I heard a rumor that they are going to start requiring clean emissions trucks at port of Baltimore next year. I do not know if it is true or not, I used to haul out of port of Baltimore and I would guess if they pass that 90% of the trucks going into and out of there are going to have a problem .

 

**shakes head**... I say all the time, you are business owners. Your job is not just to drive a truck, your job is to investigate everything that can and will effect your ability to be profitable. Those of you who have no business plan are destined to fail. Part of creating a 5 year business plan is knowing where you can or cannot conduct that business. Most of you knew nothing about CARB 5 years ago yet you went out and bought those "just off lease" 2005-07 trucks. Or even worse, you bought an '08 because you heard something about CARB but learned nothing about the technology. Now the plan is "I just won't run in that commie state"... Fast foreword to today, with no education about EPA, State and Port regulations coming down the pipe, your business plan is "Buy a glider"... If you are uneducated about regulations being drafted, and the fact that California is the only state allowed by Federal law to enact laws stricter than the EPA, do some homework. 2014 is the implementation period for CARB, when its done, every state can follow suit. Are other states currently drafting legislation in preparation for 2015 - 2021 enactment? YES! Most are slow rollouts, some are quick, if you don't know where you can or can't run in four years and you have a five year truck payment... Keep in mind, "I will just sell my truck when it is not compliant in enough places", your potential buyer list will be very limited.
So, buying that $150,000 glider may sound like a good idea today but where does it fit in a five year plan, and can you afford to buy a truck that you may be underwater in for three years, then not be able to dump it and buy a compliant truck. Are you SURE you have enough time to get your money back from that glider before those other states enact these new regulations? I said 3 years ago, "if you are going to run a glider, buy it NOW because if you wait any longer it won't make sense". Two years ago I said you are probably out of time, today it is just plain THE WRONG THING to do!