New Student needs advice

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by DriveItUSA, Jan 3, 2014.

  1. RiskyBusiness

    RiskyBusiness Light Load Member

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    Don't believe everything you read about companies on forums. What's not good for one is good for another. I have a neighbor who has been with Werner for over 10 years he is on a dedicated account run for Dollar General out of South Boston, VA and he absolutely loves it at Werner. He's home on weekends out most of week say's he get's thru the house once or twice a week with a load depending on where he has to go. Really comes down to pay, equipment and benefits as well as hometime.
     
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  3. Chinatown

    Chinatown Road Train Member

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    I do recommend ignore "experience required" and apply anyway. Sometimes you hit the jackpot!
     
  4. DriveItUSA

    DriveItUSA Light Load Member

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    Everyone I've talked to that has in the past worked for May said it was a really good company to work for. Even the instructors at my truck driving school had high praise for them, even though they were telling us about many of the shady companies like CR England, Trans-Am (because they want you to buy or lease right out of the gate and pressure you to do so).

    fuel micromanaging is no surprise. Especially in this industry. fuel saved is fuel earned which = more profits for everyone. Just common sense. So I expect to be micromanaged when it comes to fuel. These trucks get 5 - 10 mpg, and diesel is not cheap.


    well that's why I am here. But trying to make sense of it all is not always easy for the inexperienced. I was in the military a long time ago, so I know all about recruiters and their lies. These guys are no different, they want bodies in the door so they can get paid as recruiters. They will tell you whatever they can to get you in the door so they can meet/exceed their quotas and get their bonuses.


    I started getting bad vibes from Western Exp when the guy wasn't answering all of my questions and it was apparent he was avoiding them, because I kept asking the same questions over and over and he would not answer them. I also got suspicious when the pay scale he gave me via email wasn't anywhere close to matching up what was being displayed on their website.

    http://www.drivewithwestern.com/graduatejobs.aspx

    Here they claim

    but in the email I got...it was COMPLETELY different.

    The discrepancy in pay over what is posted and what is actually being paid is a deal breaker.

    Then I started seeing some comments on here and other places, so I jumped on the CB local, and asked for a few opinions...all that chimed in said Western Express sucks a big one. where there's smoke, there's fire.

    add in that 3 trainers are leaving (of course, this is hearsay and based on 1 person's side of the story)
    http://www.thetruckersreport.com/tr...t-work-for-western-express-3.html#post3653290

    for all I know that guy is or could be lying or misrepresenting the truth, but with 2 people in here already saying I'm doing good to stay away from Western Express, plus the other comments in that thread.

    http://www.thetruckersreport.com/tr...e/231332-do-not-work-for-western-express.html

    The other thing that got my attention was, he didn't ask about my driving history, or my work history or my criminal history, and he called like 15 minutes after I put my app in and was offering me a job within 3 minutes of talking to me. Didn't ask about drug abuse/use, alcohol related offenses or anything. Didn't ask about my education or my truck driving school. All that plus the stuff above just sent off a bunch of warning bells that something isnt right.

    Werner at least asked me what I did, how long I was there, went over the dates with me, asked if I had previous NON-CDL driving experience, about drugs and alcohol use/abuse.




    So yeah, I want no part of the nonsense that's going on there at Western Express.
     
  5. zincman

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    I have a friend on Facebook who works for Western Express and he hates it.

    This recruiter who called you without asking those crucial questions is looking for his bonus. He needs a warm body to fill a seat and he could care less about you. And based on other posts I've seen here about Western, your best advice is to avoid them completely.

    Werner? Could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on what they can offer you. But they are a BIG company and you might be just a number to them.

    The fact that your school instructors had good words for May Trucking could carry some weight in your decision. If you see some drivers out there and they're willing to talk with you, offer to buy a meal if you want to spend some time picking their brain. You could also pay for something to drink to get their perspective as well.

    There are some drivers who will tell you that the company can do nothing right. They may have some validity to their arguments. By the same token, there are some drivers who believe the company can do nothing wrong. The truth generally lies somewhere in between. If you find those drivers who give a reasonably good review but share openly what they wish their company did better or even their small pet peeves, I would say that's a driver who has a good view and his opinion should be strongly considered.

    In my team days, I remember seeing May Trucking and how sharp their rigs looked. That tends to favorably color my opinion of them. I'm sorry that I cannot give a company out where you are, but hope these ideas and suggestions are helpful.

    Please keep us posted on what company you go with when that time comes!
     
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  6. DriveItUSA

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    Thanks. Unfortunately, I'm flat broke, and trying to figure out how to come up with rent till I can start at May Trucking at the end of the month, so I couldn't buy anyone anything at this point.

    As with all things, I don't believe every rumor, bad comment or snide remark about a company just based on someone's say so. I evaluate, I plant intentional questions to see the responses and in Western Exp's case, they set off too many alarm bells. Not getting that with Werner or May. Most gripes in my experience are nothing more than someone who didn't get their way (i.e. a holiday off, home time for their kid's football game, didn't get a raise or a bonus because they bent a bumper or a scuffed a trailer), and are just angry about the situation. I take all complaints and gripes with a grain of salt. The experience for one, may not be the experience for another. It's when a bunch of things don't add up on top of the complaints that I get suspicious.

    For instance, I saw a complaint in the bad company section about Werner from a new student that the trainees he was with at orientation were greasy, smelly unkept person, and Werner didn't give him a brand spanking new truck. Well DUH! Not all truckers are classy men or women in business suits with perfect teeth and $100 haircuts. Most are just average people looking for work and to make money. Most companies aren't going to give a brand new driver a brand new truck to tear up. Once he/she proves themselves, I'm sure they'll be allowed to upgrade to a nice vehicle, but it's cheaper to let a new trainee beat up and older truck and cheaper to fix. I dismissed that complaint without a 2nd thought.
     
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  7. Wooly Rhino

    Wooly Rhino Road Train Member

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    Let me give you some different advice. The company that you start out with will not be the company you end your career with. Your first company is simply a continuation of you education. Any company that hires new CDL drivers are doing you a favor. You are going to find yourself sitting in a truck that has a least a million dollars in insurance. You are now the head of a $1 million corporation. Do you really think you could have done that on your own?

    What you have to do now is learn. You will have to learn how to deal with people you can't stand. Some folks out there have no sense of humor so you have to learn how to keep your month shut. (I lost a job once for jokingly asking a girl to fix me a sandwich.) You will have to learn how to get your truck into spots that were never designed to put a truck into. You will screw up. You will hit things, run over signs, scratch your trailer. Hopefully, you won't kill anyone. You won't make much your first year. Then you can take your skills to another company. You will start out at the bottom of the ladder there also. But your second company has more upside then your first. Your second company is a more important choice. Many professions make you pay for four years of education before you can even work for them. Trucking doesn't yet it pays more then a starting teacher makes.

    Your first year is paying your dues. Working for a company that is "messed up" gives you more opportunity to learn then working for a company that will fire you the first mistake you make. Do the best you can but remember no one is going to hand you the keys to success. Those have to be earned, mile after boring mile.
     
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  8. russtrucker

    russtrucker Road Train Member

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    About under 21 years old cdl, I know u can only drive in the state. I don't know what company will hire under 21 here in Pennsylvania. Someone said about PGT Trucking. I'm thinking they'll only take after 21.
     
  9. zincman

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    That's a very good attitude to have! I'm sure you're going to go far. When I first started out, I just wanted to ride and make miles to get my student loans paid off pronto. If I had an older truck, that was fine too because chances were good that the kinks had all been worked out by then!

    But there are some newbies who think that the world revolves around them and that companies are doing them a favor by hiring them. Trucking companies are in business to make money! Your duty, if you please, if to fall in line with their objectives and help them be successful so they can give those bonuses and pay increases. You can help them do that by being low maintenance, communicating well, picking up and delivering on time, keeping your unit maintained when needed/required and striving to be a great driver.


    I remember one driver who was newly hired and he shared that he needed 3000 miles a week, every week, and still needed to be home every weekend. I let him know that he wasn’t going to come in and take all the gravy loads without proving himself first. He thought that because he was in debt with an extravagant lifestyle, this would sway his driver manager. It wasn’t too much longer that I heard he was no longer with the company.


    I’ve been one who seeks to keep a low profile and do a great job. And when my time came to get a newer tractor, I wasn’t passed over. But I’ve seen drivers raise cain with their driver manager, grouse about every load, and be a royal pain! If God Himself were running the company, they still wouldn’t be pleased. Avoid them!


    You’ll meet all kinds out here in this industry. I’m one who is incredibly overqualified as I’m college educated and have a master’s degree. Why am I in this occupation? More money than in private education is a starter. But there are some real characters out here who have given me a few laughs along the way, as well as that one fellow with the fly buzzing around him and smelling like he hadn’t had a shower in a month. Yes it was that bad and the smell almost turned my stomach.


    But I’ve learned to appreciate the diversity of drivers and their backgrounds. I can learn from most anyone who is willing to share a tip or two and try to pass along occasionally things I’ve learned too. When the day comes that I can’t learn, it’s time to pack up my bags and get out completely!
     
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  10. russtrucker

    russtrucker Road Train Member

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    Not going for college. I'll start gain trucking experience.
     
  11. Mniesen89

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    Yeah I messed, tomato, tomatoe....
     
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