Newbie/Wannabe Attitudes

True, BUT. They're not supposed to "send a driver blowing a .03 on his way down the road." If a driver is 0.02 or more, they're supposed to place them out of service for 24 hrs. Anything higher and the penalties get more severe. Basically 0.04 for a DOT-regulated driver is like 0.08 for a non-DOT regulated driver.

 

I was being generic in my time. OK lets say 5 hours. It still doesn't matter. The law is the law. If you get a dui you're unhireable even if it happened 6 months ago and you're not intoxicated at the moment of the pre employment test. If you piss hot a month after you smoked you still failed.

 

No one here forced you to read it....

Irrelevent...

Only because you disagree with them...

Thanks for pointing out the obvious....We'd have never figured it out without you...

So then....

I'll just ignore...

The HOS rules
The speed limit
The weight rules
The rules that say I must register my truck
Taxes
Tolls Misc fees
Drug and alcohol laws
Anything else that I don't like and therefore consider to be "unjust".

You and old Tom gonna come to court and defend me?

You have a firm grasp of the obvious....

Is it easier to come here and scold people for giving this guy the facts of life in the industry as it is or to preach to us about theoretical nonsense that has no real meaning in the day to day life that we live.

The issue is not complex...You use certain sustances, You don't drive a truck!
Most of us agree with the rules aginst the use of these substances and have no problem with the exclusion of individuals that don't have enough sense or self discipline to no use them.

Or as I would more eloquently put it....If your too stupid to pass a drug screen, You're too stupid to drive a truck!

 

Thanks for the clarification. The section of the FMCSA site I read only mentioned the .04 level. But the argument is still valid. even .01 BAC is recent use; The metabolites could be from weeks ago.

 

Ok, even when you move the goal post my point still stands. By the time you test positive you are not impaired! And WHEN you were impaired can not be established.

And the "Law is the Law" complacency is exactly what NSBGearjammer was talking about. --Which you said you agreed with him on most of his post. Exactly which part was it you agreed with?

I ask because you went on to talk about not being able to tell if the guy is high without the test and that was your problem with it. Well, I just showed you that it DOESN'T show if he is high.

I mean, really? You can't even acknowledge that the testing is flawed and hypocritical? Especially considering there are tests that actually WILL tell if the driver is impaired?

 

Awesome retort!

Although I do agree with some of his "Libertarian" views, he should have started a different thread in the political section. BTW- Love the home pic. Livin' the dream.

 

Will you get on a plane with your family using that logic?...And there's a big difference between unjust and whether you agree with it or not...

 

There is no regulation stating you are unhireable for either a DUI or a positive drug test . I know drivers that have had both .
Naturally if your license is suspended for a DUI you can't drive until you get your license back . With a positive drug test your employer is required to give you the names of available . Substance Abuse Professionals . If you complete a satisfactory program with the SAP you can be put back on duty . http://www.saplist.com/resources/return_to_duty_process/what_is_a_dot_violation.php
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safety-security/safety-initiatives/drugs/engtesting.htm

 

You're confusing marijuana with hemp. I come from a sailing family and fully support the legalization of hemp for industrial use.

Yes, you're right there are tolerance levels with dot tests, I was referring to federal law regarding the schedule 1 drug. Use is illegal.


P.s. Tapatalk is seriously screwing my posts on all forums I visit, sorry. v0v

 

Google: 99 Plants

I am absolutely surrounded by growers. And it ain't hemp they are growing!

IF the feds bust you with 100 plants or more it is a mandatory 5 year prison sentence. I don't know if 99 Plants is necessarily a free pass, but they simply aren't busting 99 plant gardens.

Even our Local laws which allow growing are written around the well known fact regarding the 100 plant Federal sentencing guideline. This has been going on for YEARS.

So obviously the laws aren't about public safety or any of that. It's only "outlawed" for political reasons.

Good luck with your phone!