No paperwork on reman

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by MedicineMan, Dec 5, 2007.

  1. MedicineMan

    MedicineMan Road Train Member

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    So when you are looking at a truck and you are told it was rebuilt at _______ miles but there is no paperwork what do you folks think of it? Personally I automatically consider it has not having been rebuilt.

    What bring this on is I have someone willing to trade me what looks to be a fairly nice 97 freightliner classic condo with all new tires and brakes. For my Harley Ultraclassic. It has 900k miles on it and was told it was rebuilt at $500k but there is no paperwork since it was before he bought it. Hmm, decisions decisions.
     
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  3. coaster

    coaster Bobtail Member

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    Don,t do it!!! It really should not have been rebuilt at 500k,something fishy!:biggrin_25513:
     
  4. Burky

    Burky Road Train Member

    Without the paperwork, that reman never happpened. Regardless whether or not the truck has been rebuilt, since there is nohing to document the reman, there was no reman done, at least for the purposes of adding to the value of the truck.

    And, I agree something is very fishy here, because apparently the original person that had it done had no paperwork for the work which he paid 8,000 or more for. Actually, if the engine was actually remanufactured, there will bea tag somewhere in the engine stating so, and the remanfacturer will have left info on that engine so they can account for it for warranty purposes. I would guess that they may have had an inframe done, or something other than a remanufactured engine. To say that an engine was remanufactured implies that it was removed from the trucks chassis, taken to an authorized facility that does the work, and remanufactured with the original manufacturer standing behind the warranty. If the serial number on the engine matches up with the original engine serial number, I would have a lot of doubt that it was a remanned engine.

    I would take it to a reliable engine shop, and have it dynoed before making a decision. But without the paperwork, the "fact" of the reman adds nothing to the trucks value to me. Treat it as if it is a 900k engine.
     
  5. MedicineMan

    MedicineMan Road Train Member

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    I do treat it that way and it is the only reason I havn't jumped on it. It's a detroit too. :biggrin_25513:

    this is the truck
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    There is an older Volvo too which he says was rebuilt 350k miles ago but also says no paperwork. I know I sure would have a reciept or something for an expense that big. That's why I say I consider it as having never been done. Oh and I may be using the term "Reman" when I shouldn't. I apply it to inframe too.
     
  6. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Overhaul is sometimes called a "new' engine, shortened from 'renewed engine' meaning major wear items were replaced. It happens that the paperwork gets lost or misplaced, if it was done in a shop that is still in business, the shop would probably be willing to verify what was done, if that information is even available.

    A '97 is over 10 years old now, and may have an interesting history, owners that ran it, owners that came up with it but didn't run it,like family of a deceased owner, or divorce settlements, what may seem obvious to a driver or owner often isn't that obvious to the current owner.

    Farm machinery has engine failures as well, and those repairs also may or may not be documented, I had a tractor with a repairable engine that needed a new crank, we decided to short block it, that block has a serial number starting with SB.

    Another thing you will find is a truck manufactured in a certain year, with an engine from several years previous. I have seen that a few times in older trucks.

    The reverse of that is someone installing a crate engine in an older truck, that is the preferred way to fix up a blown engine, at least if you are buying the truck, once it is out of warranty, there is nothing much more merchantable about a truck fixed this way wither.

    If you receive records of repairs done to a truck you are purchasing, keep those records in a safe place with instructions as to what they are for in the event you are no longer there to verify them.
     
  7. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I would imagine FL can do the same thing as KW. Call them with the last 6 of the VIN and see what work they've done to the truck/engine.

    Then call your Detroit dealer and give them the engine serial number and ask them the same question.

    Along with this take the truck to a mechanic for a look over. And maybe a Dyno and blow by check.
     
  8. MedicineMan

    MedicineMan Road Train Member

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    Guess I need to just slow this pony down a bit. Mabey it's not such a great idea. Lord knows my wife doesn't think so.
     
  9. Steve & Lo

    Steve & Lo Medium Load Member

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    If your wife doesn't feel good about it.....stay away!! Even if it was done yesterday....stay away!! Plus, if she digs the Harley....how could you even think of taking it away from her?? :biggrin_25521:
     
  10. MedicineMan

    MedicineMan Road Train Member

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    I bought that Ultra classic because I got a great deal on it. Personally it's a bit pedestrian for me, I'm more the strip down bar hopper type of Biker
     
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