Non-recent CDL grad, inexperienced

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by finsternis, Jul 8, 2017.

  1. finsternis

    finsternis Bobtail Member

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    Yeah, I actually want a refresher. Back when I was training last time, I was picking everything up pretty well, but there were of course some weak points and things I never became completely comfortable with.

    On that same note, should I be firm (and polite) about asking for more instruction on certain things? Because last time I said I wanted to really work on my backing, and the trainer just flat-out wouldn't let me do it, save for once in a yard. I have never bumped a dock :( Also, he forced me to float at all times, which put us in several unsafe situations in heavy traffic and whatnot. Am I within my rights/boundaries to say, hey man, I'd really prefer to double-clutch for now, and work out floating in the future on my own? I didn't mind trying it, but he would not allow me to do otherwise at all, and frankly I wasn't cool with constantly grinding lower gears with the back of a car rapidly getting closer and closer.
     
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  3. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    If I was your trainer, I was paid on salary, if you were my student, we would sit in Kit Carson all day doing backing in the truckstop there. Then we hunt another one with better tighter spaces and let you have at it. Remember training time is just that, not pure teaming yet. That comes later.

    I think your trainer did you a disservice by not letting you play with the truck and shift properly (I float time to time but mainly double clutched... imagine that automatic will change this scenario...) and if you ever felt unsafe you stopped right?

    Remember, you are the kahn.. er.. ahem, captian of your ship on that drivers seat. Your ###, your truck savvy?
     
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  4. finsternis

    finsternis Bobtail Member

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    I'll definitely bear this in mind.

    Well, what often happened is that I'd have to clutch all the way in and brake until I was slowed enough to try another gear, until I got one. (Only when floating. I up- and downshift fine when I use the clutch.) There were a few times I had to disobey orders regarding the cruise control or my speed to avoid a safety issue. Which I got yelled at for. But I wasn't going to let myself crash, of course.
     
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  5. Wallyjr

    Wallyjr Light Load Member

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    Most of newer trucks are automatics pretty much almost to point of having to special order standards...it depends on company you go to work for and what they have
     
  6. Rocknroller4

    Rocknroller4 Road Train Member

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    SNI still use mostly manuals. They told me on the phone they couldn't guarantee I'd get an auto. Western Express are pretty much using autos now. That was the worst part for me finsternis.. downshifting and hitting the clutch and brake at the same time. I got worn out quick and was sweating from all the work involved. Maybe I didn't adjust the seat very well.
     
  7. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    That sweating means you hydrate. Hydrate some more. Don't worry once your air conditioning cools you down and you hydrate (Even better use a power drink to restore lost electrolytes) from doing what is essentially a gym for you and your work in that cab you will gain the stamina and power to do this work without future trouble.

    Don't let the seat move back and forth, always lock it prior to battle.
     
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  8. finsternis

    finsternis Bobtail Member

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    I never found (in my very limited experience) the normal downshifting process to be particularly tiring. You're not pressing the clutch all the way in every time, right? The only time I had to completely depress it other than a full stop is when I had to slow down *quickly* and had already missed a gear(s) too long to fumble anymore. Then I'd push it all the way in and brake, until I was slow enough to safely attempt another floating downshift. If that makes sense. And it really could be your seat adjustment, like you said. I know I'm extremely particular about how I adjust things, even in a car :)
     
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  9. Rocknroller4

    Rocknroller4 Road Train Member

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    They taught us to push the clutch in every time we shift. Double clutching whatever and because I could never get down to second gear fast enough before a light.. i'd have to push the clutch and brake in to stop and then shift back into second gear. They were older freightliners as they took some force to push in the brake all the way to the floor. I'm 5'7

    Did I mention I can't stand freightliners? Worst truck make out there.
     
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  10. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    You might as well for lack of a better word do what you can in the low range and then go into nuetral to make the final stop at the light, Don't be trying to get really deep into the 2nd, 1st or low gear because for one you don't have time, room or attention to the road in (Intersection) front of you during this light cycle to be fooling with very short gearing.

    At some point you will settle down and there will be less wear and tear on the transmission. And ultimately on you.
     
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  11. Rocknroller4

    Rocknroller4 Road Train Member

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    I was told to not be in neutral at lights? i don't quite get what you're saying? Don't overuse shifting to second you mean? I have the most trouble downshifting. So say I just pulled off the highway and going up the exit to the light or stop... no way would I have time to downshift to 2nd gear with my training. I'd get down to maybe 7th gear or 6th during the exit. Maybe I am too worried about traffic behind me or something. What throws me off is the revving rpms to downshift. Guess that's why my trainer kept yelling "easy..easy". Many of us got too much in a hurry.

    Another issue I had during training was being stopped at an intersection light in 2nd gear ready to turn left.. and the instructor would say at a green light "ok shift to 3rd and make the left hand turn" but then he'd say forget it and concentrate on the turn. That's when I didn't make it and had to stop short of the sidewalk in an intersection (because I was too busy focusing on shifting to get some speed). Had to back up a little and then continue into the left turn. It was a stressful. It was difficult being new to shifting and concentrating on the turning in a tight radius.
     
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