Not Enough Recent Experience - The Solution

Discussion in 'Motor Carrier Questions - The Inside Scoop' started by Southern Star, Jan 22, 2011.

  1. Southern Star

    Southern Star Light Load Member

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    There is a problem some former truckers are having. They have a CDL but no recent experience, want to return to the industry.

    My personal situation was this: I have a degree in computer science, but there aren't many jobs for that kind of work where I live, so I became a trucker. Well, lo and behold, that job got me a job with the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Admin in Washington DC. So, I quit my trucking job and went to work for Uncle $ugar.

    I completed my contract with Uncle $ugar and decided I would go back to trucking, well, because I liked being a trucker overall.

    The problem I ran into - no recent experience. Here's how I solved that problem.

    I posted some messages on some local Owner Ops boards advertising myself as a former trucker, needing to get recent experience to return to the industry. Within a couple weeks, I had an OO that was willing to give me shot. He would pay me 300 bucks a week, we would run teams, but he first had to see that I knew what I was doing. We met, I did a full pretrip on his truck and we went out for driving test. He told me he would give me a chance, but if things didn't work out, I'd have to carry with me enough money to get back home if he has to "deliver" me to a local truckstop. I said fair enough. So, we went out, and after 3 months, guess what, I got enough experience to get on with some companies BUT I decided to stay on with the OO for 3 more months at 300 bucks a week just to show him I appreciate the help AND it opened more doors to more companies.

    SO, if you are a former trucker and need recent exp to get back into the business, just hook up with a decent OO, take 2 or 3 hundred a week pay, let him keep the rest for helping you. You then have RECENT VERIFIABLE EXPERIENCE needed by trucking companies to put you on their payroll.

    It worked for me. It was a win/win situation for all of us - including the trucking companies that need good drivers. The OO was able to run at least 4500+ miles per week, able to pay me, and still make a profit. I got the recent experience that I need, and the trucking company that's going to hire me is getting a quality driver.

    Also note that before I went out with the OO, I had called several companies and they all said I would have to go back to trucking school, graduate, come to their company and go out with a trainer for "x" amount of weeks, then I'd start off as a new hire. For someone that already has 4 years OTR + Canada experience (just not recent) that's not an option and is, quite frankly, stupid in my opinion. I would agree that someone without recent experience may be 'green', but that doesn't mean 'fool'. That would take a LOT of time and a LOT of money, and is not an option for most former truckers. I'd much rather give my time helping an OO make more money in exchange for the recent experience that trucking companies want.

    So, if you're trying to get back into trucking and you need recent experience, find a decent OO that'll let you run teams with him. Just structure the deal so its profitable to the OO, and once you're done, give the OO something extra. He'll gladly give you a good review when the companies call to verify.

    They call me Southern Star.

    "I gots to burn ma boots...they done tectched yankee soil" ~ Yosemite Sam
     
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  3. CommDriver

    CommDriver Road Train Member

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    I guess I'm kind of surprised that other companies would take the word of an O/O that you got your recent experience with him. I'm also a little surprised that you went an additional 3 months at $300 a week. I understand your appreciation to the O/O, but that is quite a bargain. I'm sure better than forking over 2-3k to go back through school.

    I went through the same thing back before message boards and had to go through school again. I started in 1995 and drove for less than a year then came back in 2000.

    Your solution sounds much better as long as it works.
     
  4. davect

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    I agree that it's stupid. I think they should just invite to orientation, give road test. If you pass that, then go ahead with a trainer for x amount of time then come back and test out and get your truck.

    I think the problem is there are a LOT of people that have experience but no recent experience and the companies don't want to invest their money into someone that is going to be rusty. I don't agree with it however.

    I just got out of school. I don't know squat about driving and what it's like out there on the road. I am a possible risk of quitting because I don't know what it's actually like to be out there on the road. Saying it and doing it are 2 different things. Yet, I would be more than likely given a chance at some companies then you. It really makes no sense.

    If it was me running the company I would definitely give the guys with OTR experience a shot. Whatever it is it all boils down to money and what's the best way they can save a buck I guess.
     
  5. Southern Star

    Southern Star Light Load Member

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    Owner Ops ARE trucking companies. And the requirement is to verify that you have RECENT OTR experience. Doesn't matter if the trucking company that you have recent OTR experience has only 1 truck or 5,000. OTR Experience is OTR Experience.

    As far as school grads go, this subject is not about grads and learning the industry and how to drive a truck and road life etc. It's about former truckers who don't have recent experience. This is a way for them to get the experience they need. A grad who has never been on the road should go with a trainer. But for someone who already has years of experience, just not recent, this is a way for them to get back into the industry without having to re-invent the wheel.

    There were three reasons I stayed with my owner op an extra 3 months. 1. It opened more doors for me with companies that require 6 months recent OTR exp.
    2. It helped the OO who really could use the money in this economy
    3. The OO appreciated it and gave me a "highly recommended" verification to the trucking companies.

    I win, the OO wins, and the trucking companies win. It helped me get the recent exp, it helped the OO financially, and it helped the trucking companies find a good driver that not only has the recent OTR experience they require, but also has prior experience on the road.
     
  6. CommDriver

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    I understand that, I just didn't know if they would take one person's word, even if he is an LLC or Inc and has a USDOT number. But that's great that it works and is all legit and everything.

    This is good info for others in the same situation. And there are a lot. I have seen a lot of people come on and post who have the exact same problem.

    I would think your logs, with both of your signatures on it, would be maybe the most tangible proof.
     
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  7. Jonny1

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    To help some other drivers in this situation, please share the names all of these companies that would accept you after your method of returning to the industry.

    Quick question, was this OO running under is own authority or leased onto a carrier? You do realize that when you show up for orientation, that carrier's insurance company will be calling that owner operators insurance company to verify. This will be no big deal if he told them he was training you, and signed an surety bond and paid the exorbitant rates for having someone with your expeirence level driving the truck, but if not......it could get sticky for this good old boy.
     
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  8. HouseOfPain

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    That sound's great ""but"" that is kind of one and a million shot for someone that you don't know from a hole in the wall to just invite a stranger into their domain (truck).

    If that O/O give's you a shot let's say and you by any chance destroy his truck (vehicle).

    Where is there a signed dotted line that states your going to be responsible for paying any damage's?

    Your leaving thing's out that doesn't quite make sense first of all the O/O gave you a shot but what kind of agreement did you make to let him/her trust you behind the wheel?

    When you sign up with a major company they have the money (resources) or a procedure to get things corrected if you mess up threw the way during your schooling.

    Don't get me wrong this sounds like a awesome idea and I am pretty sure your not the first person to think of it ""but"" in actuality where are you going to find these so called O/O at?

    I have thought of the same idea and guess what no O/O has responded back to me with a ok let's go i'll give you a shot. That's why I stated it's one shot out of a million.

    If it where that easy I think everyone would be doing that just going to any stranger (truck driver) and telling them your sob story and they are just going to let you come into their world not knowing if your going to flunk or not.

    How is a O/O going to believe anything you say? What kind of proof and what can you generate to show that you are who you are and did the thing's you stated you did with out a back ground check and right there that is involving money and time.

    There is alot of risk's behind that it's basically easier said then done.
     
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  9. Southern Star

    Southern Star Light Load Member

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    There's some confusion I think in the fact that some companies will "train" you meaning you go out without a CDL with a trainer, then come back and get your CDL and your "schooling" is complete. But for someone who already HAS a CDL, all they need is a willing OO to hire them as a team driver with them. As far as damages goes, the OO's insurance co would cover any damages as long as the OO makes sure he lists 1 employee working for him. The OO that hired me already had 1 previous driver who used to team with him part time, so it wasn't much of an issue. As far as a background check, I gave the OO the names of character references he could check to make sure I'm not a member of Al Queda and easily verify that I'm a good, honest, reliable person, just as you would do with any other job. I even had him come over for dinner at my house, which he did, and has done since, and met my wife and children and my dog. The key to this is getting someone LOCAL who can get to KNOW you. You have to put your hand out and introduce yourself, be professional, explain your situation. Sure you'll get a lot "not interesteds", but that puts you closer to getting, "Hey, this might work. I can use you to generate some much needed cash to keep the #### bank from foreclosing on my house." Like I said, you have make it so its worth the OO's time and he has to become a FRIEND and that means he has to get to KNOW you. Hey, I didn't say all this happened overnight at the drop of a hat. It took some time, but it worked (for me at least).
     
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  10. Jonny1

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    Ok Southern......please list all of these companys that have offered you employment listing this OO as your current employer.

    P.S. Commercial Insurance does not work like you stated above, any commercial insurance policy is driver specific, whether the company vehicle is a D or F Cargo Van, truck , auto, etc. or a Class A CDL. The company (OO in this case) is required to list you on the policy for any vehicle driven, and be pre-approved by the insurance company prior to using the vehicle (we have all been though this, that have worked at companies with company vehicle), the insurance company also does regular checks on everyone listed on that policy to make sure their driving record does not reflect any negative changes. Sorry no such thing as a "Plus1 " add.....just dont work like that way in the good old USA. If you were a driver of 10 years and clean record, you would be rated much different then a person of six months and barely out of school, and that owner op would be paying through the nose for someone like this.
     
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  11. Southern Star

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    Any company that requires a minimum 6 months recent OTR experience will accept me. Why? Because I HAVE 6 months RECENT OTR experience now and it can be verified. The OO was not leased on with anybody. He owns the truck. He has a list of freight brokers whom he does business with.

    My 6 months of recent OTR driving is no different than anybody else's 6 months of OTR driving. You have a CDL, I have a CDL (I've had my CDL since 1993). You drive a semi. I drive a semi. You haul chickens. I haul chickens. Just because you work for XYZ mega carriers doesn't make your OTR experience any "better" or "more acceptable" than mine. The carriers simply verify your recent OTR exp with your previous employer. That's all that they're required to do. It's not a Federal regulation, its a company regulation. As far as the Federal law goes, you are legally eligble to drive with 0 recent otr experience as long as you have a CDL with the proper endorsements. And some carriers will take you without recent otr experience. I did find one that would take me without recent otr, put me on with a trainer for about a month, but the thing that stopped me was I lived too far out of their hiring area.

    Just befriend an owner op and get your recent otr and it will suffice.
     
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