ntc350 bc cummins no power in high gears?

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  1. flc120

    flc120 Heavy Load Member

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    ok, well i called a shop who rebuilds pumps hes telling me based on what i told him that its the fuel pump.

    my question is, does this pump work similar to the cat b model pump? needing a reference signal to AFC cover in order to augment fuel under load and boost?
    is there a possibility i just have a bad AFC or something? i can change without pulling off complete pump. isthere a picture someone could post of the afc on thept pump? i dont think mine has a signal line goin to it, appears to be capped off with a plug.
     
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  3. SmokinCAT

    SmokinCAT Road Train Member

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    It is possible that the diaphragm is leaking, but that is unusual on a PT pump, it cannot be changed without removing the pump from the engine.

    The line for it should connect to the pump behind the solenoid towards the engine block.
     
  4. OLDSKOOLERnWV

    OLDSKOOLERnWV Captain Redbeard

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    yes RPM's basically become unlimited like a steam engine, but I can say from personal experience of driving a Cabover Pete from the 80's with a 350/855 it changes more than just RPM's, it changes rail pressure too. I know from experience, man named Houie Crowder did mine. A stinger maxed out and your lucky to get the engine to idle at 1000 RPM's, sad thing is the turbo won't last no longer than Pat stayed in the Army. But done right they were just a cheap way to Hotrod back then. Wouldn't recommend it to no one today, it's from a time era now gone, just glad I got to be a small part of the experience before it started fading. A coin or a pair of vise grips is the safe way to do it cheap.
     
  5. skateboardman

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    unless you change the button etc, you basically doing rpm, closing off the return line with a dime with a hole in it was something everyone did with a 903
     
  6. SmokinCAT

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    The only reason it would change pressure is because of the rpm increase over stock, without a button change or adjustment of the rail pressure it would have still been stock, once it was past the original set rpm then pressure would have continued to climb as the governor spring was not able to regulate it down, and since HP usually increases with rpm I don't doubt that the engine felt more powerful.
     
  7. skateboardman

    skateboardman Road Train Member

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    just for the heck of it, have ya put it on manual by turning the screw in the fuel solenoid just to rule out a restriction there, and have you changed the fuel lines sometimes with age they will collapse on the inside and restrict flow needed .
     
  8. flc120

    flc120 Heavy Load Member

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    all new fuel lines,filter and base
     
  9. flc120

    flc120 Heavy Load Member

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    well a little update I installed the new rebuilt pump and its exactly the same no change whatsoever. truck still dies on highway going up hill and wont pull in last two gears, just takes to long and seems as if its choked in order to rev higher in HIGH range on trans.

    I noticed that the return line is completely wet and some what soaked for the majority of its length, COULD THIS BE my problem?
    I was thinking that the return side of the system doesn't have pressure like the feed so it wouldn't matter if the line was bad as this line is just meant to drop fuel back into tanks, to my understanding it cannot suck in air or have a restriction that will hurt it on the return side? ive read about people even plugging the return side with a dime so why would a weeping return line make anymore of a difference?


    I wish I could get the same power in low range on the high side cause its really frustrating taking your foot off of throttle in traffic to slowdown or to try and pass someone and the truck wont do it? im stuck at 60mph top gear and whatever downhill momentum I get.

    I cant understand how this hasn't come up before in cummins guys conversations I hate to be the first time for problems and no one never hear about the issues im having.

    doesn't make sense truck accelerates with fuel turbo spools with fuel, more throttle more rpm more bost pressure is supoosed to equal more power to accelerate but its like truck is governed.....

    linkage travel is prefect, the pump only acceletates on shaft 1" or so of movement so there isn't much stopping that and I checked with someone depressing pedal if it was moving as it should and it does. im going to have to put this truck up for sale if I cant figure this out, I need more power this just isn't cutting it, I mean my b model cat wasn't speedy but would put this cummins truck lengths behind it by far. this is craxy that I cant find a sound solution with basics on why this crap wont pull in high range.


    can turbo still spool and sound normal and still be BAD????? I need to pull of intake piping to check turbine wheel to mak sure.
     
  10. flc120

    flc120 Heavy Load Member

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    skateboardman in regards to the solenoid screw its turned all the way OUT.....backwards I didn't know flow would be restricted by this solenoid I thought all it did as turn engine off when you turn key back..... with the screw turned all the way in truck will not turn off. I need to have screw all the way out in order for truck to turn off and still sometimes I may have to tap it in order to get truck to turn off...
     
  11. haycarter

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    flc120, ^^^^^^^^^^^

    This could be a lot of your Problem..
    I don't know your history, however if you've been driving a late model truck with 1850ft/lb, a 25yr old little old ntc 350 with 1150ft/lb will be huge step down in class (for want of a better word)

    Just sayin'............ Not having a go at you..


    PS: now you have a new fuel pump, I'd replace all the fuel lines& Do the overhead. & see if that makes a difference...
     
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