O/O scenario numbers

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by CMoore, Mar 15, 2007.

  1. CMoore

    CMoore Bobtail Member

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    I've made a spreadsheet to test out various scenarios with leasing onto a company with our own truck. I used a similar sheet I found on OOIDA as the inspiration for this one. I've tried to upload the sheet itself, but the site won't let me. So instead I'll post the numbers from one of the scenarios I've run. It's very rough draft so I've no doubt left things out and although some of the numbers I know, most are best guesses at this point.

    Please review and critique. Thanks.

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    Assumption Table

    Compensated Miles 120,000
    Uncompensated Miles as % of total 10%
    Total Miles 132,000

    Base Pay 0.92
    Fuel Surcharge 0.19
    Stop/Detention Pay Prorated 0.02

    Driver Pay 0.30
    Driver Med. Ins. 85 / mo

    Fuel Price per Gal 2.55
    Avg MPG 6
    Fuel Price per Mile 0.425

    Maintenance Reserve CPM 0.03

    Monthly Truck Payment 1,400


    Income
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    Base Pay 110,400
    Fuel Surcharge 22,800
    Stop/Detention Pay 2,400

    Gross Income 135,600

    Expenses
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    Driver Pay 36,000
    Fuel 56,100
    Maintenance Reserve 3,600
    Preventive Maintenance 1,800
    Tires 2,000
    Fuel & Road Taxes 800
    IRS 2290 550
    Base Plate 1,700
    Permits 300
    Telephone 1,200
    Qualcom 780
    Truck Washing 360
    Tickets & Fines 300

    Subtotal Direct Costs 105,490

    Physical Damage 2,800
    Bobtail 480
    Occupational Accident 1,600
    Medical Insurance 1,020

    Subtotal Insurance 5,900

    Bookkeeping & Office 600
    Misc. Expenses 600

    Subtotal Indirect Costs 1,200

    Annual Truck Payment 16,800

    Total Expenses 129,390

    Net Profit 6,210




     
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  3. BearGator56

    BearGator56 "The G stands for GOOD!"

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    See Next Post (Mods Please Delete This!)
     
  4. BearGator56

    BearGator56 "The G stands for GOOD!"

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    Maybe you have it in there somewhere, but I didn't see federal taxes...

    Here's a spreadsheet I have been working on. I also used the OOIDA form as a base. I haven't really broken it down by cpm (I plan on running about 120k a year). There's more to the spreadsheet with fuel cost calculator and mileage entry. I can simply enter the miles of the trip in, and it will calculate how much the trip will pay based on several different per mile rates. It also figures out my fuel consumption for given miles, and how much fuel will cost me based on several rates, as well.

    So, if a client wants to know how much I will charge him, I can just ask how many miles the trip is, input it into the spreadsheet, and I can give him a figure based on that.

    I just look at my weekly expenses, and make sure I have enough after fuel cost to stay at or above that level. Basically, anything above that is all profit (in theory!). I am still leased on to a carrier, so this is something I am preparing for when I ditch them. Hopefully, soon!

    One thing I plan on is for $5000 a year to be alloted for maintenance (other than oil/filters/tires/pm). My goal is to eventually keep 15k in a savings account just for catastrophic breakdowns or repairs. Once I reach that level, anything more just becomes my new truck fund. I also have a fuel surcharge plan in place.

    I mention this, because I thought your maintenance reserve was a bit low. Some "simple" repair jobs can instantly wipe out half of the reserve you have planned. I would recommend a goal of at least $5000. You'll need to plan on your truck being down for at least 3 days, and loss of those 3 days of income. I've had this happen to me a couple times for "simple" things in the past year. The bills averaged about $1000 each time-not including loss of income.

    Hope this helps! Any advice or ideas from anyone is greatly appreciated. Anything we can all do to help each other succeed!

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  5. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I think your average cost for fuel is too low. The FSC is too low, and your driver/owner compensation is too low. Beargator mentioned another problem.
    I like to figure a little higher because "if some thing can go wrong, it will go wrong" happens a lot in trucking.

    On the other hand you deserve a big high five for taking the time to figure all this out. So many drivers dont and just jump head first into a company fleece purchase not knowing their numbers.

    Your spreadsheet just brought out the number one big problem with a company that PAYS CENTS per mile. They are getting rich off the backs of their fleeced O/Os that never did the math and thought that .92 a mile was so much more money in their pockets than .38 or what ever they are getting paid as a company driver.
     
  6. BearGator56

    BearGator56 "The G stands for GOOD!"

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    I thought the same thing about the fuel surcharge, Brick. I was assuming this was a number provided by the company he is/will be leased to. For last week, ours was at .28 (fuel average of about 2.55 here). The fuel surcharge should never stay the same-it needs to be adjusted on a weekly basis. 0.19 per mile tells me the company is pocketing some of what they charge the customer(if that is current).

    One other thing... Pay yourself MORE! 0.30 a mile is not worth running your own truck for. Why deal with all the hassle when you can be a company driver and make more? For the salary you propose to pay yourself, and average 60 hour work week behind the wheel will pay you less than 10 bucks an hour! Ouch. You deserve more.
     
  7. Passin Thru

    Passin Thru Road Train Member

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    I think you're fairly accurate except my truck payment was $2200/ mo. Whoops, now you qualify for welfare except you're not an illlegal alien.(Are You):biggrin_25510: Also, you're averaging 1 truck,they wear out and the price of new ones goes up and the IRS gets more money cuz they SAY you made a profit because you sold the truck in 3 years and had it written off over 4 years and the major OH was more than a down paynment on the new one. It's a vicious cirdle and there is no average, only blind dumb luck. I worked in the Aviation industry and made my money then bought my truck. :biggrin_25523:
     
  8. Passin Thru

    Passin Thru Road Train Member

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    Dont forget, every August the IRS gets $500.00 for nothing. If you dont believe me ask any OO what the 500 was for and why the IRS demands it in August.
     
  9. BearGator56

    BearGator56 "The G stands for GOOD!"

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    $1400/mo is a pretty average truck payment. Maybe you have a new truck, and his is used?

    Other than that, your post makes no sense.
     
  10. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Worse than that, $550
     
  11. Carolina_Beaver_Teaser

    Carolina_Beaver_Teaser Light Load Member

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    Brickman is correct, FSC too LOW, as are some of the other numbers.

    And besides, why not pay yourself %? Why haul .92cpm freight?
     
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