O/Op required to drug test themselves?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by DanceswithHorses, Aug 16, 2007.

  1. tomhorn

    tomhorn Light Load Member

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    OK, What about a hotshot O/O who does not need a CDL, but is subject to most other DOT requirements and operates under DOT and an MC number. Must they be in a consortium?
     
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  3. Pur48Ted

    Pur48Ted Road Train Member

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    Again: The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration’s alcohol and drug testing rules apply to every person and to all employers of such persons who operate a commercial motor vehicle in commerce in any state, and is subject to: (1) the commercial driver’s license requirements of 49 CFR Part 383; (2) the Licencia Federal de Conductor (Mexico) requirements; or (3) the commercial driver’s license requirements of the Canadian National Safety Code.

    The answer to that is quite simple, since Federal Law Requires you to be tested at least once per year, and since there is no "Random Selection" if you OWN the Compny and have no other drivers, you go down and get tested at least once per year. By the SAME Token, if you are involved in an accident where there is at least one vehicle that is disabled and needs to be towed OR there is injury or death; you GET TESTED as required by Law.

    These are questions that should have been answered when he got his own Operating Authority. To have no record of testing because you had no one to "suprise you" is pure irresponsibility, and violates DOT Regulations.
     
  4. Pur48Ted

    Pur48Ted Road Train Member

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    The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration’s alcohol and drug testing rules apply to every person and to all employers of such persons who operate a commercial motor vehicle in commerce in any state, and is subject to: (1) the commercial driver’s license requirements of 49 CFR Part 383;
     
  5. DanceswithHorses

    DanceswithHorses Bobtail Member

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    Irresponsibilty.....hmmmmm.... I think you should step down off your pedastal.....and his 25 years of accident free and clean MVR's worth of irresponsibilty saved us from making a bad move.... I came here for advice and not to be lectured.. I didn't come here to argue just to get information...and I can assure you if he had been aware of a MANDATORY every year..it would have done..but for your information,he has been drug tested ,frequently on his quest to find an honest company..they just are not showing up,although we could have had them pulled,this was just an excuse to keep someone out of a company who needs people to work for them that don't know the ropes so they can rip them off.....

    He was aware that should an accident occur,he would be tested,the TESTING is not an issue....

    Every CDL driver is subject to RANDOM,testing NOT Every driver is subjected to YEARLY testing.....right??? Thats what I care about..What the law states...there is no sublaw that I could find that has a separate statement for a different set of laws for what owner operators should follow,so it states EVERY Driver shall be tested...Testing procedures,by scientific and Random selection...So as long as he has been tested somewhere in between all this than he is fine...If I find a law that states otherwise,then we will follow that...

    You are still Not showing me where in the clause it says "YEARLY""..it says RANDOMLY..Randomly can be 6months next time 2 years next time 6 years...

    So all I was asking did someone know where it states it is a mandatory every year,not an interpertation of what Random is...and to have you lecture and label someone,who is honest and hardworking,that I care about irresponsible,is pretty arrogant on your part.. ####,man you have a right to disagree with me,but you don't have a right to make judgement until you know the person and situation....


    Heather
     
  6. ladyredrose23

    ladyredrose23 Bobtail Member

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    Heather,
    Alcohol is not permitted during random testing and if they request it...then all the drivers in the comapny have to have that tset


     
  7. psanderson

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    Yes, he must be tested. Usually O/O's operating under their own authority join a consortium. Many businesses have them. He should have been tested since 1991 when the rules went into effect. If his business is audited by the FMCSA he could be in serious trouble.

    I've put the applicable parts in BOLD print. Part 382 contains the drug testing rules. That, and part 40.

    The correct rule is 382.103.........here it is

    From a retired federal DOT official

    Sec. 382.103 Applicability. (a) This part applies to every person and to all employers of such persons who operate a commercial motor vehicle in commerce in any State, and is subject to: (1) The commercial driver's license requirements of part 383 of this subchapter; (2) The Licencia Federal de Conductor (Mexico) requirements; or (3) The commercial drivers license requirements of the Canadian National Safety Code. (b) An employer who employs himself/herself as a driver must comply with both the requirements in this part that apply to employers and the requirements in this part that apply to drivers. An employer who employs only himself/herself as a driver shall implement a random alcohol and controlled substances testing program of two or more covered employees in the random testing selection pool. (c) The exceptions contained in Sec. 390.3(f) of this subchapter do not apply to this part. The employers and drivers identified in Sec. 390.3(f) of this subchapter must comply with the requirements of this part, unless otherwise specifically provided in paragraph (d) of this section. (d) Exceptions. This part shall not apply to employers and their drivers: (1) Required to comply with the alcohol and/or controlled substances testing requirements of part 655 of this title (Federal Transit Administration alcohol and controlled substances testing regulations); or (2) Who a State must waive from the requirements of part 383 of this subchapter. These individuals include active duty military personnel; members of the reserves; and members of the national guard on active duty, including personnel on full-time national guard duty, personnel on part-time national guard training and national guard military technicians (civilians who are required to wear military uniforms), and active duty U.S. Coast Guard personnel; or (3) Who a State has, at its discretion, exempted from the requirements of part 383 of this subchapter. These individuals may be: [[Page 171]] (i) Operators of a farm vehicle which is: (A) Controlled and operated by a farmer; (B) Used to transport either agricultural products, farm machinery, farm supplies, or both to or from a farm; (C) Not used in the operations of a common or contract motor carrier; and (D) Used within 241 kilometers (150 miles) of the farmer's farm. (ii) Firefighters or other persons who operate commercial motor vehicles which are necessary for the preservation of life or property or the execution of emergency governmental functions, are equipped with audible and visual signals, and are not subject to normal traffic regulation.
     
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  8. psanderson

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    There is no rule 392.305, but 382.305 is random testing. The applicable rule is immediately above.
     
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  9. Working Class Patriot

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    I belong to AADAT and on my last BIT, I was informed I must also take a course and pass a Drug policy enforcement test...for myself......:biggrin_2552:
     
  10. RickG

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    Non-CDL drivers aren't required by FMCSA to be drug tested although some carriers require it .
     
  11. RickG

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    An O/O is self employed . As an employer he is required to keep a driver qualification file on the employee (himself) . http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safety-security/eta/part391.htm .
    There are better alternatives to a drug testing pool than OOIDA . OOIDA takes advantage of being "easy" by getting a cut from services they use , resulting in higher charges . I know a hotshotter that uses a drug testing pool at his county health department . The only thing is the smaller the pool the greater risk of being called more often .
     
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