Oh no! Another "PC to a truck stop thread"!!

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by drivingmissdaisy, May 19, 2020.

  1. Trucker61016

    Trucker61016 Medium Load Member

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    On a public highway, yes...not in a docking area, that is on-duty....
     
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  3. Trucker61016

    Trucker61016 Medium Load Member

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    Never said i couldn't be wrong but i read the little green book ok, its in there as what is driving and whats on duty, backing into a dock is on duty......driving 10 miles to pilot is either pc or driving depending on if u have hours left or not!!
     
  4. JoeTruck

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    To the OP, you are ok to leave shipper and find parking. All companies have their own rules for PC, ask them for it in writing.
    As far as on duty loading and unloading, I log loading and unloading when I arrive so it corresponds with arrived message, than off duty. Opening doors, checking in is work, making a sandwich is off duty.
    PS. I never use 15minutes, it looks fake.
    13 ,16,18,21, looks real.
     
  5. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    Except guidance states otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you it should be on duty, but it's not.
    Here is the regs:

    From 395.2
    Driving time means all time spent at the driving controls of a commercial motor vehicle in operation.

    From the guidance:
    Question 26: Is time spent operating controls in a CMV to perform an auxiliary, non-driving function (e.g., lifting a loaded container, compacting waste, etc.) considered driving time? Does the location of the controls have a bearing on the answer?

    Guidance: The location of the controls does have a bearing on the answer. Section 395.2 defines “driving time” as all time spent at the driving controls of a Commercial Motor Vehicle CMV in operation. If a driver, seated at the driving controls of the vehicle, is able to simultaneously perform the driving and auxiliary function (for example, one hand on the steering wheel and one hand on a control mechanism), the time spent performing the auxiliary function must be recorded as “driving time.” If a driver, seated at the driving controls of the vehicle, is unable to simultaneously perform the driving and auxiliary function, the time spent performing the auxiliary function may be recorded as “on-duty not driving time.”

    If you think they are that picky about using a PTO, what makes you think that the definition of driving changes because it's in a yard vs a street?
     
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  6. Accidental Trucker

    Accidental Trucker Road Train Member

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    To add: I always strongly suggest to my drivers they log sleeper berth rather than off duty when being loaded or unloaded. There's enough badge heavy inspectors with points to make that will try to bust chops over "off duty" while loading and unloading. Sleeper berth is sleeper berth, and avoids that whole discussion.
     
  7. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    You won’t get me to log yard moves on line 3 either, especially if I don’t have it to spare.
     
  8. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    I don’t buy that. For a pretrip you may be right, but not to make a delivery, especially if you’re in and fast.

    That’s one good thing about elogs as opposed to paper. You’re not limited to the shortest entry on the book.
     
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  9. TokyoJoe

    TokyoJoe Road Train Member

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    Lol, so you burn hours of your clock everyday because there's an off chance that you may run into some DOT who has no clue what the actual rules are and for some unknown reason cannot be shown the actual rules in the book.

    I've never ran into a situation like this in 5 years of driving yet you literally waste an hour or 2 of your actual available time every single day just in case and despite the fact that the rules say nothing of the sort and you would be correct in telling the mythical DOT moron that it really only takes 3-5 minutes to check in, etc.
     
  10. p608

    p608 Road Train Member

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    Here's a better question, instead of trying to skirt the rules you hold your employers feet to the fire for a wage that allows you to follow the rules.
     
  11. drivingmissdaisy

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    You're not even required to pretrip the truck.
     
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