Ok I'll ask what has E-Logs got to do with

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Okieron, Jun 12, 2011.

  1. Meltom

    Meltom Road Train Member

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    In my opinion you're both crazy. Yes violating the HOS is bad. No it's not stealing. I'm going to guess that 60% or greater of all drivers "cheat" on their logs, some more than others. Nobody is perfect (except me) and for that matter neither are the regulations but it's what we got. So we can roll with it, or grate against it. Elogs won't make the road a safer place, regulations wont make the roads a safer place. The only things that will make the roads safer are the actions of the drivers, and the demands of the companies. Shippers have a role too, but I think we can lump that in the demands of the companies.



    For the record i'm right, so don't even argue against me :biggrin_25520:
     
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  3. diesel_weasel

    diesel_weasel Medium Load Member

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    Ever heard the phrase "Let he who has no sin cast the first stone?" you can use this with or without the religious basis it came from.


    Unfortunately that's something you're not going to find on a quallcom, gps or log book, or senate bill.

    So anyone who has never broken any law or rule, especially in a motor vehicle, commercial or not, let the name-calling and heckling at me begin. Fire when ready.



    So disagreeing with elogs and what I believe is big brother overstepping its bounds makes me an unsafe driver?

    You are the one who brought up practicing your backing skills on an on/off ramp.
    I knew this was sarcasm on your part and can look beyond it.

    But why cant you take sarcasm from anyone else?



    Why is there such a bible and crucifixion procedure in place to fry commercial drivers over log books, and yet speeding, reckless driving, assault, theft, DUI etc to a certain extent still get just a slap on the wrist outside of losing your job, or small jail time at the worst?

    ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY

    Even those who dont agree with me know how childish you have been over this whole thread. With most people I can EVENTUALLY look past what they are arguing
    about with me.

    I realize not everyone sees the same thing when they look at a DeVinci (sp?) painting, or the Bible. But this goes far beyond a difference of opinion. I am done trying to look past your passive-aggressive insults and outrageous assumptions about those who don't think the same way you do.

    To label all people who are against elogs as anarchists and throw them into one boat is just plain wrong and ignorant. There are others who disagree with me here, and have voiced that without insults labels and name calling, and I can accept and respect that.

    Just one example-

    Why does the fact that I disagree with elogs make you think I want to drive 75 MPH in a 45 MPH work zone?

    Or run people off the road?

    Or that everyone who wants to keep paper logs will run with 3 logbooks 120 hrs a week like a cowboy?

    My final statement, to you anyway, on elogs is this:

    I am 100% AGAINST the mandate, but IF they are mandated, let's at least make the HOS rules practical for everyday use, not just for drop and hook mega carriers.

    If this eobr is going to be mandated, go back to the old split sleeper berth rule, or find one more practical than the current one.

    I still stand by my statement that a mandate will drive up prices of commodities, and all durable and non-durable goods. And whose going to pick up the tab for merely installing all the things on every CMV in the country? My guess is the cost will find its way to the American Consumer the same way lumper fees do.





     
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  4. panhandlepat

    panhandlepat Road Train Member

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    LEGAL AND SAFE are two different words.
    what the gooberment deems "safe" in the HOS regs, and what is ACTUALLY safe do not align usually.
    Ran out of your 14 with multiple drops tying you up all day and had plenty of naptime to go on.......... SAFE but NOT legal
    running out of your 70 when used to being awake and driving during the day then having to STOP in the early/late morning hours and TRY to sleep until it is LEGAL (safe *cough cough) to drive again at midnight.....
     
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  5. Meltom

    Meltom Road Train Member

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    Legal is compliance, safe is typically a mix of choices and behaviors. They shouldn't be the same thing.
     
  6. diesel_weasel

    diesel_weasel Medium Load Member

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    Now Now, let's not be a reckless anarchist and run over baby carriages...Without an elog most drivers will do that you know...and in case you dont pick up on it I'm being sarcastic...
     
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    Even if you THINK I'm crazy that was a good point you made. But For the record, I'm right, so don't even argue against me :biggrin_25520:
     
  8. Meltom

    Meltom Road Train Member

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    I had a guy on eLogs that would violate his HOS every day of the week and then state his computer was broken. Problem was he never graduated off the paper log and it showed the same thing. Elogs are just a different way to record the same thing. It takes a little more understanding on how to manipulate your logs, but it can be done.

    And eventually the eLog will probably tell you hit a baby carriage, it tells you when to drive and when to sleep. Oh wait, it just records your activity.
     
  9. Meltom

    Meltom Road Train Member

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    I'm not sure where i stand on eLogs. I see benefits, I see drawbacks. There are much bigger problems than drivers compliance with the HOS. I find more and more drivers wanting to go on eLogs for their own protection. It's confusing to say the least.
     
  10. panhandlepat

    panhandlepat Road Train Member

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    that is the problem IMO,enough drivers have proved they can't/won't stop when their bodies tell them to.
    #### the pencil pushers! if I need a nap I will stop and take one then "rewrite" history if I have to
    . I do not always run legal, but you can bet your axle I am fully awake and to my best when driving.
    MY family's safety and others demand that from me!
     
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  11. lostNfound

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    An across the board E-log implementation without an HOS overhaul and corresponding accountability of shippers and receivers is going to create significant problems, most likely in the areas of JIT freight, produce and livestock hauling. IMHO.
     
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