Ok I'll ask what has E-Logs got to do with

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Okieron, Jun 12, 2011.

  1. diesel_weasel

    diesel_weasel Medium Load Member

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    But it will make you run legal and all shippers and receivers will never lie or play games with us anymore. As a matter of fact they will magically cater to our every need once elogs are mandated...


    ...and in case you didn't pick up on it, I'm being sarcastic...
     
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    Meltom Road Train Member

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    I see where you are coming from, I just think that you can be safe and legal and still make money. It's takes a smoothly run operation but it can be done. I think there are too many that put $$$ before anything else, this causes problems. Changes probably need to be made to the industry, the easiest way to solve the problem would be to increase the pay. But by doing this you increase the cost of everything. So where do you balance things out? My guess is fuel, c'mon 7 MPH is considered great fuel mileage. Maybe we can figure out how to get that number into the teens, cutting your fuel costs in half, putting more $$$ in your pockets. My guess is compliance would be easier to achieve, heck maybe even safety would improve.


    PS I'm way tired, this may not even make sense when I read it tomorrow.
     
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  3. blackw900

    blackw900 The Grandfather of Flatbed

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    Poor Tazz...He just can't stand for someone else to have an opinion.
     
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    In Jan of 2010 the FMCSA was allowed to use QC records when auditing for compliance. Concurrent with that the major carrier I work for suddenly stopped turning a blind eye to logs that didn't agree with QC records. The pressure on drivers to comply with HOS was matched with pressure on DM's to make sure their drivers complied with HOS. The bar was raised, and some runs that were being routinely being done with a wink and nod were stopped. Yeah, things got a little safer.

    In some cases, like a repower, or a late start on a load, HOS were still being violated, with everyone hoping no one would notice. But these runs were always done with the idea that they were the exception and not the rule.

    EROB's will kill those runs. With CSA points on the line, drivers just will not freely commit to risking their careers.

    With EROB's a carrier can not duck the liability that a driver running over the HOS can create. The time is available on both ends of the system, and if a driver runs over, the company is going to be asked why they allowed it. Management can't say they didn't know.

    Will this impact driver wages overall? No! Those who understand economics can understand why, those who don't, well, won't.

    Will this raise the cost of transportation? Yes, but not by much. A very small portion of loads will be delivered late by the daliy loss of driving time by drivers, and I am not completely convinced that this will not be made up by shorter wait times for loads by drivers.

    Transportation is a regulated industry, world wide, get over it.
     
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    DL550CAT Road Train Member

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    Did things get safer? Were the drivers on those runs causing accidents and did they become accident free? I doubt that was the case. Things did not get safer they just became compliant. The company and drivers had to make adjustments that cost both money. For what? Saftey? NO just to be compliant to over regulation.
    The problem is most just throw their hands up and say there is nothing I can do about it and it apears they are right. If drivers as a whole could take a stand together we could change things for the better. Try getting more than a handful of drivers to agree on 1 thing is no easy task.
    The goverment needs to spend some of the money they are throwing at over-regulating us and spend it on teaching 4 wheelers the rules of the road. That would make a differance in safety.
     
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    Meltom Road Train Member

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    There need to be actual standards for professional drivers as well. Not just able to maintain a CDL. There are far too many drivers out there that have no business behind the wheel.
     
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    blackw900 The Grandfather of Flatbed

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    The problem with that is.....Like everything else the government touches, They'd screw it up!
    Why does everyone seem to think that more laws and regulations are the answer to everything?

    If the government ever tried to set standards for drivers, We'd probably wind up with drivers that are worse than we're seeing these days because the standards would dumb it down as government standards always do.
     
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    We do have standards. But, like everything else, as long as those standards keep people out who you don't like, they are just peachy. As soon as they affect you, they are stupid and unfair.
     
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    If it kept people I don't like out there wouldnt' be any drivers. I'm not a people person.
     
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    panhandlepat Road Train Member

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    like WCP's sig quote said (can't remember who)
    "put the government in charge of the Sahara desert and in 5 years there would be a shortage of sand" :biggrin_25513: