Older cabovers OTR?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by seabring, Oct 30, 2011.

  1. seabring

    seabring Road Train Member

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    Hi all,
    So i have been working super hard and saving all my pennies. I have been using the available TTR info threads and also alot of the info on the OOIDA and related sites about starting up as an O/O. I have put all my figures into the spreadsheets etc that i have found. I have a good appreciation of the costs involved and what I need to do. I would like some opinions on something i have been considering. I have seen that there seems to be a bit of a niche in the used truck market for restored cabover tractors. I am seeing a number of older K100 and pete 352 and other makes that have been restored and look to be in quite good condition. It seems that these trucks have had alot of work done and are in good working condition. My big question is really for those that have real experience driving these sort of trucks OTR back in the day when they were used. Could it be reasonable to consider taking a restored COE truck OTR and do you think they could make a profit? I am hoping for some replies from those that have known these trucks first hand and would love to hear of things like the expected fuel mileages for the cat 3406B and cummins big cam 3 and 4 engines etc. I am not trying to start a comparison to conventionals and i dont care for the usual comments that just say " cab overs suck, not that I have ever driven one but in my whole 21 years of life i know everything" type of comments !! Please some real experience comments based on proven time in these trucks. I have the money to buy a reasonably nice restored COE or a not so nice average condition conventional. Thanks for reading :biggrin_25519:
     
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  3. avatorlc

    avatorlc Bobtail Member

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    Plus they look cool.
     
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  4. five&dime

    five&dime Bobtail Member

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    If done right, they look buff.

    The only problem I see is that you might have a degree of difficulty leasing on (if that is desired) with any of the mega carriers. They insist on newer model trucks.

    The good side is you wouldn't have to deal with all the emission equipment that seems to break frequently, and, no special computer programs would be needed to tune the engine. Manual pumps rule.
     
  5. apyles

    apyles Medium Load Member

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    Depending on what kind of operation you are going to run a,well maintained cab over will work just fine. With that being said you will have a problem with most carriers, because they do have a age limit on the trucks they will let lease on. But other than that............... HELL go for it . :biggrin_25514::biggrin_25514:
     
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  6. dave26027

    dave26027 Road Train Member

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    Fuel mileage might be your greatest problem. The newer C/O's are just like all the trucks in that year- the fuel mileage was improving but hadn't topped out yet. In the 80's, 6 mpg's was impressive. By 1990, 7 mpg's was something to brag about.

    Anyway- hopefully a reworked cabover should include some gearing and tuning updates. And of course, you know to stay away from two stroke engines and V-blocks, no one can afford a 4 mpg truck today.

    All trucks in those days were expected to idle a lot and the bodies lack ventilation. As soon as you turn a C/O off the cab becomes an oven- the engine is directly under you and the doghouse is always hot. Nice in winter, not convenient in the Southwest.

    What I liked about the older C/O's is that your girlfriend (or wife) could lay out on the doghouse next to you while you were driving.

    The bad thing about them is trying to stand straight after driving one for a few days. There wasn't room to stand in them. The later models have much more room and lower floors. Come to think of it, some of them had exhaust fans in the sleeper vents.

    They were fun, though- Ford and Mack trucks sat the highest- sometimes you had to open the door to reach down to get a toll ticket at the booth. I see a lot of nice ones on the west coast.
     
  7. apyles

    apyles Medium Load Member

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    I agree 100% The value buy will always attract buyers, but always keep in mind that comfort and some fuel mileage will,,,,,,,,,,,,, suck depending on your expections. ( can you lay down or hunch over and dress without cussing and hitting your head). FOOD FOR THOUGHT. But it is old school
     
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  8. 1958Pete

    1958Pete Light Load Member

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    I've only driven 2 cabovers: 1. A '75 GMC Astro, for a day 20+ years ago, with a 270 cummins and a 10 spd. and 2. A Hino with a euro style 10 spd and a turbo V6 diesel, in Saudi Arabia and Iraq during Desert Storm. The Hino ran and handled like a sports car. It was fast fun to drive.

    I believe you could do well with a cab over nowadays, say with a 60 series, a 13 spd od and .350 rears. You could probably get 6 mpg out of it. The cab overs with air rear suspension and air ride cab suspension were suppose to have ridden fairly well. I saw a '93 freightliner with only 95,000 original miles on it in the truck paper recently.
     
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  9. Bent Wrench

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    For OTR I would not consider a COE.

    When you add the fatigue from the crappy ride to the lack of benefits drived from a COE in an OTR application it does not make any sense.

    I can't imagine living in one, you would quickly learn to be a minimalist.

    The Price of used trucks is low enough that you should have little problem finding a rig that best suits your uses.

    Older trucks are cool but you have to look at the parts availability and the quality of the rebuild work, also your ability to work on the rig and space to carry tools. Also older trucks don't have the features newer trucks do (if I don't have cruise control my speed creeps) AC / Defrost systems have improved dramatically, steering systems are way better, air ride is a godsend (cab & chassis).

    If I was going OTR I would be looking at fuel mileage (includes aero footprint)(don't buy a condo if you are hauling a flattie or cans), then creature comfort (includes ride quality), then power.

    Your fuel bill is your biggest expense, your second largest hit is emotional & physical comfort. Shop accordingly, a couple of grand could make the difference between a smile and hell on wheels. Don't buy for looks, that is feeding your ego, a paint job and chrome and lights don't help pay the rent. And since appearance is a big pricing factor you can save some coin there.

    WATCH FOR RUST!!! especially on double frame rigs.
     
  10. SHC

    SHC Spoiled Rotten Brat O/O

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    as said above, the biggest factor in making a profit will be MPG, as not only is it a square brick, but it also has a mechanical motor which is terrible on MPG's as well..... but #### do I like the old cabovers too ;)

    If you are planning running coast to coast as and OTR then I would think about it over and over again as you will get terrible MPG's and not have any room inside, plus it gets VERY cold in the winter time (tho the old K100 I drove would cook you out sometimes)

    Now if you plan on doing regional or maybe even hauling steel beams (for the lessened length) then I would consider it. Especially if it has all new parts, a fresh engine and can be gotten for under $20k
     
  11. Old Man

    Old Man Road Train Member

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    They don't ride as bad as everyone thinks, the Pete air leaf and KW 8 bag air ride have been around since the sixties. Air ride cab, link-mate can fix that, electronic engines have been around since the late eighty's.
     
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