older cat vs. newer paccar engines

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by ad356, Dec 19, 2018.

  1. WesternPlains

    WesternPlains Road Train Member

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    Could gearing be part of the issue?
     
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  3. KB3MMX

    KB3MMX Road Train Member

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    Comparing a CAT to a MX is Blasphemy !!
     
  4. KB3MMX

    KB3MMX Road Train Member

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    Auto shift trans literally had no bearing on the power.

    It is an automated manual transmission without a Torque Converter.

    Real Automatic transmissions like an allison have a Torque Converter which has fluid coupling losses when unlocked.

    The CAT you drove most likely was a higher TQ rating.

    I'd rather have more TQ to get the job done in a Truck...HP games are for cars without much weight.
     
  5. magoo68

    magoo68 Road Train Member

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    38 39 on the boost is what my old 455 paccar did in 2015 model ... I’m not sure if your truck is new but if it is wait till 60,000 miles when they do the first valve adjustment then you’ll have a idea of it’s true power.. they neuter it in the ecm till around that point
     
  6. bzinger

    bzinger Road Train Member

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    Went In Birchwood foods shop at kenosha wis yesterday and saw a t660 with the hood open ...mx 13 ....looked like a plumbers nightmare !
     
  7. Powder Joints

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    First off, the driver and his habits control the fuel economy more than the engine it self. Also the newer engines are deceptive being there power is all on the lower end , vs the older engine rev higher to pull. Also without seeing how the engine is programed its hard to say which power level it programed at, the option menu in programing has a lot to do with the performance of engine.

    They two engine just have a different feel as far as the pulling and performance.

    The tractor I have been driving as of late, Are shared totally, I rarely get the same tractor twice during the same week, but I consistently stay at or close to 10 mph. Now admittedly USPS loads are really light, but there's also other things like keep your jake off except when going down hill, do not use it as a brake in traffic, slow down early keep a large following distance, this keep you from the slow down speed up game, there's a ton of stuff that have a affect on your mileage, tire pressure, how you climb hills, it all matters not just the engine size. Even understanding the power curve of the engine can have a large impact on your mileage.

    I actually find the newer generation engines have more pulling power for the displacement size over the older engines. put a C13 cat against the MX13 paccar and the 13 liter cat will be left in the dust cloud. The though of comparing a 15 or 16 liter engine to a 13 liter, off course the newer 13 liter does not perform like a older larger motor. But it will go further on a gallon of fuel.
     
  8. daf105paccar

    daf105paccar Road Train Member

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    What rpm do you run at going up the hill?
     
  9. ad356

    ad356 Road Train Member

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    Pulling a steep hill I would shift at 1700 rpm, it's an 18 speed so going up hill I split every gear... Go from 5 hi to 6 low for example. Maybe say shifting at 1500 or 1600 is better? I drove a similarly equipped truck but it was an Eaton ultra shift 18 auto shift. In the lower gears it would wind out to 1900 which I thought was bizarre and unnecessary. Lower gears on level ground I grab a gear at 1700 or so but no splitting usually. I would split only 7hi to 8lo and then go to 8 hi.

    I was woefully unimpressed with the auto shift and I say it lacked power because at low speeds leaving a stop sign it felt really anemic. With the manual less then 1/4 throttle you are going just fine. The auto shift didn't want to get out of its own way. Also the Jake felt nonexistent even though it was turned on. Give me a manual any day. I don't need a computer to do what I can do myself.
     
  10. daf105paccar

    daf105paccar Road Train Member

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    From you post i deduct you run too high rpm's.
    1500 rpm is when then torque curve goes down.
    PACCAR Engines
    The are low rpm engines.
    Don't be scared to run lower rpm's,they were build for it,unlike older engines.
     
  11. ad356

    ad356 Road Train Member

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    most of the trucks i drove in the past had C15 acert engines..... the paccar has a much different torque curve doesn't it?

    why was that paccar engine equipped truck with an autoshift, shifting at 1,900 rpm. im not making that up, i found it shifted way to high of an rpm.
     
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