Pardon the ignorance but what does OTR and LTL stand for. I'm guessing OTR is On the road meaning distance driving and LTL is local something something lol.
On-Board Scales?
Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Githiun, Jan 17, 2012.
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Here's my issue with these digital scale systems. 90% of the trucks on the road don't need them. All they need is a cheap air pressure gauge with a mark on it at what pressure is "legal". If the needle is to the right of that mark your over and you need to move something to get that needle back to the left side of that mark. I know that 60-62 psi is 34k on my drives and it's the same for all 5 trucks I currently have and has been that way for the last 10 at least. (all have KW 8-bag air ride)
We've known for years that all our flats with 30k suspension was legal as long as it was under 65psi. Guess what, Hendrickson says at 64psi each axle is carrying 20k and has been that way for at least 20 years. I've got grain hoppers with closed tandems with 2 different brands of 25k suspensions (Hendrickson and Neway). Both are good as long as they're under 68psi, this is not rocket science and does not require thousands of dollars in equipment.
I know that in Michigan I'm allowed 17k on each trailer axle and 32k on my drives. Each lift axle came with this handy little sticker that was less than $1 and a cheap gauge.
As long as they're all under 70psi and the drives are under 60psi I'm good and I still have that $2k in my pocket I didn't spend on a digital readout. I have swapped the factory truck gauge in a previous truck for an aftermarket one with a more accurate gauge face but quickly found out I didn't need it and didn't like the look.
Again on my drives 60psi is 34k.........
I don't need air weigh or any other brand to tell me this is over.
I just need a gauge that reads over 100.
Our grain trucks load by air gauge, they know at what pressure to pull up when loading. When I used to pull a hopper I put a digital air pressure gauge from the trailer inside the truck. I knew the load on the truck and trailer from the drivers seat and this was 10 years ago and was less than $200.Githiun Thanks this. -
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Fair enough. And I know that not EVERYONE will have a need. But just in response because this is what I would ask someone on the phone. Since you know when you're legal via the air gauge and the mark you've placed on the gauge. You never have to check weigh at a pub CAT scale? Never have loads reworked or dodge scales because you know you're miss loaded but didnt want to drive back?
Its like health insurance or a warranty on your car. Do you NEED either. No of course not. But its something people pay for so they have piece of mind that IF something should happen they're covered. Same concept.
Also, I don't want to discuss who I work for on the forums because thats not why I am here. I want to understand what you guys deal with. But if people do want to know who I work for and are willing to be private about it you can email me directly and we can discuss. I've gotten a few PM's and one person posted so feel free to email me.
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The gauge could also say "cross scales"-"bypass scales".07-379Pete and mslashbar Thank this. -
Local Vs Long haul.
Just spoke with a guy who said he just does local runs. He said that he doesnt worry about weight. He even said that he goes over all the time but because their aren't any scales within his traveling distance it doesnt matter. Even when he gets weighed at the turnpikes they don't care about him being over weight because he gets charged per pound anyway. It's not DOT related. Any input on accuracy or anything? -
I'm guessing the driver would be on his own...so what "piece of mind" did he buy?
ANY on-board weight system is what it is...be it air, load sensor, or your fancy system that reads out in actual pounds...and subject to error. Just as a person needs to "calibrate" your scale system, they need to scale a load or two with ANY on-board system to see where the system reads out when they have a legal load. Once they learn where the needle needs to be on the air gauge, or what reading any other system gives them, they can get their weights pretty darn close on a fairly consistent basis.
With or without an on-board system, I still recommend running the truck across a certified scale (CAT, etc.) prior to crossing a state scale if think your weights are close to the legal max. -
With an onboard scale and even an air-gauge its more like You get loaded heavy you can fix it right there. Not that the company reimburses you.
But obviously air-gauges have some serious flaws because companies still spend 1000's of dollars a month in some instances paying for their drivers to go to a public scale to make sure they have been loaded right. There have been multiple people already in this thread that have said, i have air gauges but still find myself over loaded. I'm not here to have a knock out drag out war on why you all should use an on-board scale. Because frankly not everyone needs them. There are certain commodities that just don't need them and air gauges seem to work just fine. I'm sure there are people with on-board scales that still have gotten a weight ticket. I would bet my life that its drastically lower than air gauges.
I started this post because I honestly and trully wanted to learn about your profession. What weight issues you run into that could be fixed by an on-board scale. What commodities could use this more. NOT to try and convince everyone that on-board scales are the end-all be-all of equipment you must purchase! Posts like this is what I didn't want. I dont know about you but I hate when sales people call me and PRETEND to know anything about what it is I am doing when they know nothing. I think I should get some props for being pro-active and trying to learn the profession I am selling to. -
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