Opinions on a single axle car trailer?

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  1. 24kHotshot

    24kHotshot Heavy Load Member

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    Still planning a custom built trailer for my truck. I drive in a heavy toll road area.
    For example, NYC - Richmond VA - NYC with a 5 axle vehicle is $380.48. With a 4 axle vehicle its $277.40. I can sometimes run this twice a week. I save $400 - $800 a month running a 4 axle vs 5 axle.

    I'm thinking single 15k axle on a single 24 foot total length car hauler for my truck. I know the hitch weight will be higher with a setup like this but my truck can handle it as its a class 8 tandem straight truck. Axle placement right before 8 foot (?) dovetail.

    Can anyone give me reasons or opinions why this is not a good idea?

    (Thought about singling out my truck also but I think I would need the extra weight capacity on the rear)

    Truck currently registered for 46,000 lbs, scales at 11,700 front (12,500 axle) and 14,060 (34,000 axles) on the drives. I have never scaled when loaded and have loaded upto 11,000 lbs on truck so far, no weight stations have stopped me yet lol.

    Trailer will be overbuilt just like I like it, 17.5" tires capable of over 20,000 lbs, bed will be 96" wide above the wheels for dual tire truck loads and overbuilt chassis. I'm guessing close to 4k curb weight and 9-10k max load. At least 30% weight transfer to hitch is my best guess so maybe 5,000 lb transfer. Lightning up the front axle a little bit would actually be pretty good for me.
    Loading ramps from trailer to truck are the main feature for me. I really don't want to have to disconnect from trailer to load/unload the truck.

    Example of single tandem trailer:
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  3. special-k

    special-k Road Train Member

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    A well built single axle trailer with quality axle/springs/brakes/tires will be fine. Most people fall into the more is better trap. I have a 16' single axle car trailer with a 6000lb axle and it pulls fine and easier than a comparable tandem. The p.o./builder built it to haul 5000lb test weights for his scale business. He hauled all over the place for 5 years before l bought it from him. It scales out fine with a 5000 car on it behind my Jeep Grand Cherokee with 500lbs of tongue weight. It does have a strong 6' tongue on which l feel helps make it stable going down the highway. Every single axle I've ever pulled with a long tongue has been super stable at highway speeds. It's apples and oranges to you but that's my experience with a single axle car trailer.
     
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    201 Road Train Member

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    Looks like a PITA driving over the wheels. You know some green trooper going to give you heck. I've always felt a tandem ( or tri)axle is more stable, why not a tag axle you lift? I think you're going to run into trouble with a setup like that, too much tongue weight. Seems a multi-axle distributes it better.
     
  5. Flint1

    Flint1 Road Train Member

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    Why just a single place trailer?
    Wally-mo and sun country I believe both make a single axle version. Single 20k axle, lo pro 22.5..

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  6. 24kHotshot

    24kHotshot Heavy Load Member

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    Towing with a straight truck, 65' length limit.
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  7. 24kHotshot

    24kHotshot Heavy Load Member

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    Trailer bed will be above the wheels like I mentioned.
    Not too much tongue weight for a class 8 tandem straight truck.
    The tolls in my routes are very expensive.
     
  8. Flint1

    Flint1 Road Train Member

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    Gotcha. Nice lookin unit.
     
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  9. Brandonpdx

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    Trailer like that might work. I wouldn't mess with the drive tandems on the truck looking at those scale numbers. You'd be well over 20k on a single drive setup on some loads and would have to be worrying about it all the time. Even after shaving say, 1500 lbs off the back, you'd still only have 7500 lbs of payload which would be about 1 big pickup. Even with the front axle on single tires that gives at least an extra 10k so you can load nearly as heavy as the 34k they allow on closed tandem groups. That is probably a 40k rear drive set so in practice you'd be limited to the loading capacity of all 6 tires added together.

    I'd be concerned about a couple issues. Stability at speed with only one 17.5" tire on each side. I think you'd need dual position anyway to put anything heavy on the trailer, again because of tire weight capacity but also because a DRW axle will be a lot less squirrely. I could tell the difference on converter dollies when I used to haul double pup trailers between the newer super single ones and the old dual position ones. Holding the tongue the super single dolly was much easier to twist side to side than the DRW dolly especially when the ground was wet, and I could tell the back box was much more squirrely going down the road with the single. The other issue would be tongue weight on the stinger hitch which is self-explanatory. I've got a 2.5" shank 2 5/16" ball hitch for pulling travel trailers and I think the vertical pin load max is 2200 lbs on it. That is a nice aluminum weigh safe unit with stainless steel turnover balls but I think even the 3" shank versions for newer pickups limits the tongue weight to around 2200-2300 lbs. So long story boring you might need to careful with how heavy a unit you try to put on this theoretical trailer because of how much weight will be transferring to the stinger hitch. You might be limited to 1 heavy unit on the deck, 1 light unit on the tilt and 1 light or medium unit on the trailer. 2 heavy units might be a bad idea. Even big car moving equipment is usually limited to 3 heavy units since they all need to sit end to end and low on the trailer.
     
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  10. 24kHotshot

    24kHotshot Heavy Load Member

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    My drive tires rating are 6175 single and 5675 tandem and that puts me at 35,000 lbs so legal 34,000 still.
    Trailer will be single axle but dual 17.5' tires.
    I'm hoping to be able to load a dually at least on the trailer so around 8500 lbs + trailer weight. Shipshe said hitch is rated for 14k, hope it won't over load the vertical pin weight limit. I want to be able to take a dually on the truck and trailer at the same time. I know my truck's suspension can take the weight but maybe I'll have the stinger hitch reinforced or something.
     
  11. Brandonpdx

    Brandonpdx Road Train Member

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    DRW 17.5" axle will have to be a darn pretty beefy single axle to back up around 16,000 lbs worth of tire capacity. That's why more typically you're going to see trailer places like Shipshe build something like that with tandem 8k or 10k Dexter Torflexes with SRW 17.5" rubber. That gives you the balance to not overload the hitch, stability at speed and the needed weight capacity for heavy units. Trying to accomplish all that with one big DRW axle and not overload the hitch will be trickier to put it briefly but maybe not impossible. Close attention will need to be payed to the weight limitations of the hitch gear for safety and liability reasons.
     
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