I was asked the other night by my company to tow there trailer 60 miles down the road to have the trailer brakes fixed, i noted on my vi that the trailer brakes were not working at all, i drove it to the truckstop where they fixed them, it was only 60 miles out in the middle of no where, whats your take on this Diselbear, alot of companys are trying to cut cost, but at what cost for the driver.
Out of service orders
Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by dieselbear, Feb 19, 2009.
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Well, first and foremost it depends on the State you are in. In my State we cite the driver for all violations. Other States you can issue the citation to the company. If in this situation it presents a dangerous mix. About 4 years ago, a carrier from my State did exactly what your situation was. Out in the middle of nowhere a carrier, who was a local/regional carrier that had "shops" in two different States. Well the "shop" that is located in my State had a driver that noticed the brakes were not up to par. He called the powers to be and informed them that the brakes were screwed up. The powers to be told this driver "drive it to our shop at such and such. If not, you will not have a job." So while en route in an adjacent State to have a brake repair this driver had to suddenly stop and could not. He killed three people in the same car that he drove over. He informed the Troopers that investigated the collision of what he had been told by his company. Long story short, driver was charged and convicted of manslaughter ( from what I remember he had to serve 1 to 2 years the rest was suspended time), the carrier had a complaint filed by the investigating agency with FMCSA. I assisted the FMSCA Agent on a terminal visit and inspection. On the day we went to the carrier's "shop" in my State, as we were driving up the lane we met 5 trucks loaded on the way out. The were stopped and ordered back to the "shop". We then conducted 10 other Level 4 inspections (vehicle only) at the "Shop". Out of the 15 combinations only 1 trailer was not placed Out of Service. To say the least the party for that company was over. I was informed by the Agent that the civil penalties were around $50,000 for the company. The company was sold and is no longer in business. In my opinion, I wouldn't drive it. I'm sure most of you on his forum would not drive it, but you can probably name someone that would. Ultimately you are responsible for what you drive. Your CDL is your livelihood. Lose it, you have no job driving trucks. Again, I get at least one driver a day that is suspended. It amazes me that there is that many out here. I know and the guys and gals I work with know that carriers constantly threaten drivers with "drive it or lose your job." There is 2 drivers that call me quite regularly to inspect their trucks. They call when they are grossly overweight (in excess of 10,000 lbs, the most was 24,000 lbs) and when the company will not change tires. Tell me what route they will be driving and see where I am. They will pull over and wait on me. There company pays all of their tickets so it's a win, win for them. They stick it to the company and they get their truck fixed. It's a double edge sword because if the company loses to much money, the driver's lose there job. The only tickets I write them is for overweights because of this. If I didn't write them the overweights the company would be suspicious, because we never write warnings for overweight, unless a few hundred pounds. -
Thanks for your feedback. I tested the stoping power and i could still stop very well. I only had 5000 pounds on the box. The only way i knew the trailer brakes did not work was when the handbrake did not stop/slow the truck at all when i frist hooked up. The only reason i did drive it was i still felt very safe and i could still stop the truck fast. When i drove it, and slowed down you could not tell the trailer brakes where not working. I still did not like the idea of driving at all, but knew if i said no, they would just send some new driver that had no idea over to take the load from me, It was i bad situation to be in, After they where fixed i felt i got away with one. Next time a saftey issue comes up ill do like i did this past summer when they told me to drive 500 miles with a tire that was coming apart on the trailer, call that states D.O.T. and ask for a class 1 inspection. I drive the truck for a friend, and i always know my truck will pass. The D.O.T. redflaged the trailer and made them fix it on the spot.
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We're not all bad.
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Some of know that! I would think just by the fact you are a member of this forum, that you are one of the really good guys. I wish I knew what state you work in so I could just stop to say Hello and shake your hand... Back when I lived in Va. I knew one of the VSP inspectors, he lived in the neighborhood my brother lived in and I saw him a lot back then... I meet him because I used to take the truck and trailer to my brothers house, he lived on a dead end street, and this officer came out the first time and asked me a few questions. His concern was about if I was loaded, 'cuz I was pulling a refer then. I was always empty when I went to the house so he had no problems, and I never rolled in after dark, I would park at a shopping center then bring the truck home the next day or so... He asked me about that once and I told him that some of the kids ther were still out and harder to see, and the noise just seemed louder after dark... I never had any problems from him, and he used to talk to me all the time and ask how things were going out on the road. He was the best person in that area... So Yes I know not all of you guys are bad, I figure you have a job to do also... And I for one am glad you are there. It helps keep us all safer, and pockets lighter for the misinformed. I Thank You for what YOU DO!dieselbear Thanks this.
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You're right, most of the guys and gals I stop are misinformed about one thing or another. As you know and as I hear on the CB everyday, there are a lot of "Truckstop Lawyers." My favorite slogan when I speak with drivers. The most common misperception is "I have 15 minutes (someone Friday night told me 24 hours to catch up there log book) to catch up my log." I would say in my 9 plus years assigned to a commercial vehicle unit that more drivers are misinformed about log book regulations. That being said the majority of the inspections I do are on interstate drivers, usually the carriers have less than 20 trucks. I have stopped, still stop the big companies but the majority of the seroius violations I find are not on the bigger companies. Not picking on owner/operators, but some are good, some are bad. Some should never have even tried to make it as a owner/operator. On the other hand I stop a lot of owner/operators that have some nice rigs, well maintained and up to par. I'm sure many of you on here can look out your windows in the truck stop your in right now ( because I know you would never try to drive and look at this) and see 1 or 2 pieces of junk. When I'm doing random inspections I look at the truck, is it missing the steps? Is the grill knocked out? Is the front fenders held on by bungee cords? We call this a clue. My theory is this and most of the time it's so true. If they man driving doesn't take care of his equipment he isn't taking care of anything else. I look at trailers, look at the wheels and tires, see if the trailer is tracking differently than the truck, which is going to tear the tires up much sooner. Majority of the trucks I stop fit this category. Again I understand rising costs is the cause O/O do not have the funds to put back into the truck to maintain it. Before you bust my b_alls, I have an uncle that drove many years as a O/O, so I know what O/O's go through. When I was a kid I used to ride with him on summer vacations. But I also saw how much he was putting back into the truck. The trucks that on the outside look like they are falling apart are the ones that I have found to have serious equipment defects that meet out of service criteria. One trailer I stopped last week had 10 crossemembers in a row under trailer that were broken. The floor was sagging through, which you could see into the trailer and see the load. I still stop the big companies as well. I know everyone on here busts JB Hunt and Swift but I haven't found that much wrong with them. I can tell they are green when I stop them but the equipment is usually good.
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Well I've been sitting in the same spot for 4 days now and have seen more than a few trucks go by and some park and wonder how they are going down the road.... I saw a flatbed the other day who had most and I mean more than half of his wood deck missing??? I slowed down as he went past me 'cuz I was looking for some more to fall off as he went by... YUCK! Those are the one's I see and think how in the world is that still on the road... The company I work for seems to always fix the floors that get busted. It is a personal safety issue here, I sure don't want to get hurt stepping in a hole one the floor while securing or tarping a load. Yep we still have some trailers with holes but for the most part they get fixed, if a driver calls it in...
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This all happened way back when trucking was still fun.Not many good folks to deal with now-drivers OR dot.
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Then after we gave them their reasonable amount of time to catch up & not be placed out of service almost without question drivers couldn't figure out why they received a citation for violating 395.13.....the excuse I always heard was "But I wasn't placed out of service".....No, you weren't. But you were still in violation.
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LMAO. Now that's funny, unless it is happening to you... I have yet to be OOS for My stuff, I have a hard time thinking about giving my money away o somebody else 'cuz I'm stupid or lazy. Log books are easy to keep curent if you do as you go... Oh the other benifit is I don't have to fix or catch my log book up... Humm I have a poor memory so I might forget where I stopped at. LOL Oh and if I write it down on a note pad why not just write it in the log book and be done with it.
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