Overstepping the bounds or in line with expectations?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by JoeF2002, Apr 18, 2017.

  1. JoeF2002

    JoeF2002 Light Load Member

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    Not sure if part of this is directed at me, but if you read clearly I do NOT have a 'not for hire' sign anywhere on the truck. As advised by another DOT officer, I now have very visible signs that read "non commercial truck" and in smaller print "privately owned and registered".

    I pulled into the scales because despite the millions of conversations online about this topic from other people over the years, no one seems to have a clear answer, and because these states love to make our lives complicated by changing up the regulations from state to state.. So in my mind when a sign says "all trucks must enter the weigh station" or "DOT inspection ahead; all trucks must enter" or "all commercial vehicles exit"...I'm driving a truck with a high GVWR that is designed for commercial use. So that means me as well.

    If you know of any verifiable / printable regulations out there from FMSCA that can clear this up so I don't have to stop, I'm all ears. But in all the research I have done (and believe me - it's a lot) I'd rather pull into the stations than bypass them only to piss someone off and then explain to them several miles later after being pulled over why I passed them.

    And regarding RV use, I've done the research and the mods needed here in PA are too extensive for me at this time.
     
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  3. Boattlebot

    Boattlebot Road Train Member

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    But it doesn't mean you. Your a private vehical. Same as Joe shmo with his civic
     
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  4. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    There was a time you could get a private A (Non commercial) meaning you can buy and drive whatever it is you own hauling your own stuff. "Not for Hire" and "Non Commercial Vehicle" or even the occasional FEMA Contract or Military support type signs in time of natural disaster or national emergency bypasses Commerical law. There was a time in my life we hauled war material for the ports which go on the ship for Korea in the spring-summer of 1994. It was a very intense time and Im pretty happy to say it was a happy time too because logbooks and other ordinary impediments to making money did not exist for as long the war freight kept rolling to the ports. I was happy to do it and keep doing it for as long the body held up.

    Getting back to RV type vehicles, if you had a RV vehicle that is a combination and used airbrakes etc you will require a licensing capable of rolling however large, heavy and possibly even more than one trailer on your vehicle, whatever it was. It could be a cut down retired class 8 vehicle through the somewhat more common class 5's which are pretty light and purpose built better for 5th wheel RV work for example than the rather hulking and muscular 3 axle tractor which we all know wont have the usual power limitations etc in the mountains.

    Most everyone acknowledges a RV is a home for most of the time. If you stuck a chemical toilet into the sleeper of your tractor you just became a RV for purposes of being able to camp somewhere extended periods of time.

    I don't have too much experience around large coaches which are excessively large truck chassis, engines, wheels tires and airbraking equal to any of the very best large cars that I understood. But the very few that I have run into, usually had a high value, large dollar celebrity inside who more or less does not want to be disturbed. They just want to get the fuel and gone.
     
  5. Blackshack46

    Blackshack46 Road Train Member

    This is a what if now.

    What if the scales just happen to be dipping fuel tanks? Now he is included. But he wouldnt ever know because he didnt pull in.
    Now hes gotta stop down the road with a truck in a less than safe spot to explain the TTR lawyers said hes good to blow the coop.

    This is a huge gray area, as far as what you do with a truck that is not an RV, not for commercial transit, or anything of the like.

    Joe clearly has no issue stopping.
    So whats the big deal? Lets get back on track to the original question asked by Joe.

    Joe, you have a show truck that makes no money, i think the officer was doing his job and may have stepped outside his duties for a time. Thank all of us truckers who paved the way before you. All of us who break the law and now cause questions to be asked.
     
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    Blackshack46 Road Train Member

    Do you have any at night with the chicken lights?
     
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  8. Ridgeline

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    Yes it was directed to you.

    Any signage has to be backed up by the registration not be a commercial registration, in your case there is only one other choice, RV. It is up to the enforcement officer to investigate and make that decision.

    One thing I keep saying is some of us have gone through this crap before and it is something that has some ways around but one of them is not to just own and register it as a commercial vehicle - which it is.

    Yes there is a clear answer, if you own a privately registered vehicle, you don't pull in. If you are registered as a commercial vehicle, you pull in.

    IF you are not, you don't.

    I drive a truck that is an RV, it is setup as an RV (simple just added a toilet mounted, a 5 gallon water source and a little sink to qualify) and I do not ever stop into a scale, but I've been pulled over many many times, my daughter also drives it and she got a ticket last week with it which was thrown out of court because it is an RV, she was nice to the cop and told her that it is an RV and she can drive an RV so too bad but still got a "driving a commercial vehicle without a license" ticket.

    The FMCSA regulations DO NOT APPLY to either scale rules or if you pull in or not, they do not define what is or isn't a scale either.

    Then register it in another state, I've done that with several vehicles including one of the trucks I used to drive around as an RV.

    Right now I have a car I imported licensed in another state, I will convert it to this state next year because the plate will expire.

    Once you get the title in hand, you go to the PA DMV with you insurance papers and transfer it to PA - Boom !! no inspection or conversion.

    It is legal, completely legal.

    If you want to know how, go call a vehicle title company that specializes in that, they will do it for you.
     
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  9. cnsper

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    Ummm I want one of your magic aluminum magnets:D:p
     
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  10. Redtwin

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    Just out of curiosity, what modifications would you need for PA RV registration?.
     
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