Overweight steer axle

Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by Planenut, Feb 15, 2023.

  1. Ziff2000

    Ziff2000 Bobtail Member

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    with your sliding fifth wheel all the way to the rear you are adding weight to the steer axle not taking it away your drives axle is like a teter totter the weight between your drive and steer doesnt change when you move the fifth wheel it only shifts between the steer and the drive axle to take weight off your steer you need to move the fifth wheel forward putting more of the weight on the drives by shortening the distance between your steer and drive axles.
     
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  3. Star Rider

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  4. Antinomian

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    That was a little confusing. What he is saying is that the weight is pivoting around your drives because the fifth wheel isn't centered between them. I don't think that explains what you're describing though. Having the fifth wheel all the way back should pivot weight off of the steers - unless the trailer is trying to tip up.

    Really dumb question, but I have to ask: you aren't setting your brakes when you get on the scales are you? It does sound like an air bag inflation issue of some kind.
     
  5. ducnut

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    I suspect the air bags on your forward drive axle are not properly inflating and it’s creating a bridge situation where only the rear drive and steer axle are carrying the weight. There’s no other explanation. With your pictured drive weight, there’s no other possible way to get that much weight on the steer axle.
     
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  6. Planenut

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    Why would setting my brakes on the scale be an issue? I don’t understand how that would be a problem. My previous employer had their own scale and we would have to park on the scale and go into the office and print the ticket. The truck and trailer has been at the mechanic for the past week getting other stuff fixed, I haven’t heard back yet if he’s figured out the weight problem. The tractor seems to have too much weight on the front axle without a trailer, so I’m inclined to think the 5th wheel setting probably isn’t the problem.
    Thanks everyone for your help, I hope this gets solved soon, so I can get back to work.
     
  7. ducnut

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    Best way is to stop on the scale, put the truck in neutral, let off the brakes, then, set the parking brake on the tractor, only. This allows the tractor suspension to return to its normal ride height, without any brake torque applied to the suspension. Also, not setting the trailer brakes keeps it at its normal ride height and not deflate. This is particularly important with tankers where the load moves, front to rear. You want all your suspensions to be in their normal positions, without any forces on them or binding going on.
     
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  8. Planenut

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    Thanks for the lesson. My first job out of school was hauling containers to the port. The dispatcher handed me the keys to a 2020 Cascadia automatic and said see you later. The school had standard transmission Volvos. I had to go down Cajon pass fully loaded. I got into the truck and then had to go find someone to tell me where the engine brake was. That’s the level of training I got. Did that for a couple of years until I had enough money saved for my airplane habit for a while. Then a few weeks ago my son in law got tired of his driver tearing up his truck and fired him. Then he showed up at my house and said that he needed me to drive for him. I’ve been trying to get the truck squared away since. It’s been a learning experience and I know that I’ve still got a lot left to learn. After the overweight issue I took the truck to his mechanic and had him start on a long list of stuff that had to get fixed. Hopefully I’ll get it back tomorrow. I’m not convinced that the mechanic knows what’s wrong with the weight issue. That’s why I posted here. Thanks again.
     
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  9. Planenut

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    Picked up the truck today and scaled it and all seems normal. It appears that it was the leveling valve that was the problem. I have to wait a couple of days for the trailer to be ready. I guess after that I’ll find out for sure when I get my next load. Thanks for your help.
     
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