Paperlogs and logging fueling

ELD isn't limited by the 15 minute segment so you are supposed to log the actual time to accomplish the PTI, Fueling, or other tasks.

 

Rules and regulations don't require you agree, understand, accept them or that logic be their basis. If the regulation says you touch your nose before turning left, you either touch your nose before turning left or you are in violation. Wanting to know the logic, purpose, etc of the regulation is understandable. It's not required that desire be met.

Regulations are the result of many things, including the word wars between lawyers and judges and lobbyists. Those word wars are not necessarily logic wars. "We have 30 years of use of this phrase commonly used in other regulations, so if we adopt this phrase we prevent 30 more years of word wars between other lawyers and judges." Law School isn't 3 years long because you just need a class on logic and knowledge of how to find where the laws are written. You have to learn about the word wars over time and the why behind them and the settlement of those wars.

A regulation that allows for going over at the whim of the operator is not enforceable. That is one reason the prohibition of carrying alcohol in the truck, except as freight and with a BOL and proper permits, is so strict. It's enforceable if it is strict and it's not enforceable if it less strict. A less strict rule becomes a roadside argument over stories and explanations between 2 people that have never seen each other, and will never see each other again.

 

Drivers don't get violations every time they go over one or more HOS regs by 1 second. That's the leeway drivers are afforded. But companies are required to document and warn drivers about every violation they become aware of. Companies always have some rules or procedures that do different things based on how serious and how frequent the violations are. It's not fired for going over your 14 Hour Clock by 30 seconds one time in 2019. One HUGE company I worked for wanted an explanation in the ELD comments for ANY violation, but we never heard a word from the company unless we had frequent violations (we weren't told definition of 'frequent') or unless we violated HOS rules in excess of 1 hour. In that case we would get a "we found this violation and we are telling you violations are against company policy and if they continue or become worse we MAY be forced to implement our progressive penalties that COULD lead to eventual termination." The company has to document violations they discover and notice they've given the driver." Every company warning is not the company death penalty. Undocumented violations always look more suspicious than documented violations. You don't have to be perfect, just not flagrant. "You can probably get away with kissing a waitress on a business trip 2,000 miles from home without getting divorced" unless you make it a habit and you do it in restaurants at home.

 

If I stay in a truck stop, I start or end my day with fueling, save anything, Not really. Still have to take a 30 minute brake later anyway. Not going to far here it will just start the age ole argument of what you can and can not do. I prefer to start out with a full tank of fuel when possible, personal preference.

 

That is precisely why I am saying it needs a revision and an update. Instead of LAW they should be guidelines.

Drivers with paper logs were making it make sense all those decades, and now that they are 100% enforceable because we’re tracked for ALL of our time. They need to get changed, and no one is fighting for or arguing against the law (hos). They argued for the ability to keep braking the law (paper logs).

Hence why OOIDA, dropped the ball in court by going after ELDS instead of making an argument for a more flexible Hours of operations. More exemptions, and extensions.

remember when the 34 hour reset had in the rules you needed to spend 2 over night periods? From a certain time to a certain time (can’t remember the exact terms right now). Well, that got changed into something that makes more sense.

 

I do the same thing. Specially, if it’s doing off peak hours, you don’t have to fue with everyone else

 

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Kind of hard to log 7 minutes for fuel these days.

You spend more then that waiting in line at the island or behind the counter

 

EVERYONE subject to regulations wants them to just be guidelines, meaning no enforcement. People run stop signs and traffic lights which are enforced, you think they will better obey them if enforcement is taken away. PEOPLE have demonstrated they will not perform better if only we remove the penalty for bad behavior. It's the dream/lie of every teenager, "stop telling me to get up, I'll get up on my own." No, he'll stay in bed until he late and then lecture adults about not enforcing the rules of life.

Drivers were complaining just as much under the paper logs as under ELD. The topic of complaint were different but the complaints were just as numerous. Nobody was driving around saying "I sure am glad we don't have worse regs, these are just perfect." I now try to argue against changing regs because the odds are at least 50/50 the change will be more intrusive. If DOT was searching cabs for hidden paper logs, back in the day, the howls would burst eardrums. The result of replacing ELDs with performance-based regulations will be the govt requiring you wear an electronic skull cap that reads your brainwaves and a computer deciding YOU ARE TIRED, PARK NOW. Santa Clause isn't working for the govt. 1) you cannot make truck drivers happy, not even Santa Clause can. 2) govt regulation is a fact of life. We can waste as many years as we like perfecting pretend regs that never become real regs but they exists only in the mind of a driver when he's not window shopping for new flip-flops.

Running multiple logbooks & crashes brought ELDs.

 

An extremely common misconception, multiple logbooks and crashes brought on electronic logging devices. That’s what the American trucking association, truckload carriers association, and the teamsters made Congress believe.
this whole thing been a scam from day one it’s nothing but a way for the Megas too, even the playing field
it was almost impossible to bring any type of lawsuit against the congressman, the senators and the judges. Who all said this is what your industry asked for so why are you complaining?