Passed a Level one, random roadside inspection, but still assessed CSA points?

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  1. Blackjack55

    Blackjack55 Light Load Member

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    I caint believe the level of BS we have to put up with these days.
    Derogatory points for such nitpicky things
     
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  3. Long FLD

    Long FLD Road Train Member

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    If it’s a required lamp it’s a whole 2 points on the carrier’s CSA. So 6 points total.
     
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  5. Scalemaster

    Scalemaster Heavy Load Member

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    I know everybody hates CSA points and the whole CSA system, but since they started assigning points to violations that followed carriers and drivers around, I have seen a BIG change out here on the road.
    30 years ago violations like broken wheels, broken brake drums, broken leaf springs, broken frames, etc - BIG violations - were much more commonplace than they are today. Carriers are paying a lot more attention to vehicle maintenance and inspections. They have to.
    I know (as a former driver myself) points suck - but the quality of the equipment on the road today has improved since CSA was implemented.
     
  6. Dave_in_AZ

    Dave_in_AZ Road Train Member

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    E logs.

    Log violations were their bread and butter.

    His job or yours, guess who's going to do what is necessary to justify their existence?
     
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  7. Scalemaster

    Scalemaster Heavy Load Member

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    Any light REQUIRED by 393.11 that is inoperative or missing is a violation.
    Other lights - like "chicken lights" - that are not required, are not a violation if they are inoperative.
     
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  8. MIT

    MIT Road Train Member

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    You had a light out there is nothing to dispute.
     
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  9. The Railsplitter

    The Railsplitter Medium Load Member

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    Never had any chicken lights on my company trucks, but some old hands told me that if I ever bought my own truck and put chicken lights on it, to run 'em on a separate circuit so I could switch 'em off before entering the coops. Sounded like good advice to me... o_O
     
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  10. Accidental Trucker

    Accidental Trucker Road Train Member

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    If the light out was a non-required light (heck if I know!) then it could be out and no points should be assigned, even though noted on the inspection report. It would be like saying the "Kenworth" decal is missing. True, but not illegal.

    If it was not a required light, and it DOES show up as CSA points, seems to me a DATAQ challenge would be appropriate, and the officer would likely agree with the driver. But, it's the government and logic may not apply.
     
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  11. Long FLD

    Long FLD Road Train Member

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    It used to be like that but somewhere along the way it changed to where you could only get a violation if a required light isn’t working.
     
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  12. m16ty

    m16ty Road Train Member

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    I consider “passed” as not being put out-of-service. Kind of like back in school, you could make down to a 70 and still “pass”.
     
  13. REO6205

    REO6205 Road Train Member

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    We always put extra brake lights and turn signals on new equipment. Like the old boss said "It won't keep people from hitting you but when they do you can point out all the extra lights that should have caught their attention".
     
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