Paying cash for an older semi tractor vs. financing a new one

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by FloridaDudester, Jun 20, 2019.

  1. Dino soar

    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    The not being in a hurry part is of the greatest importance. Anytime you are in a hurry gets you into trouble faster.

    You have to look and look and look and keep looking and look again and again and again and again. And you can't be afraid to walk away from something.

    The deal isn't always in the price that you pay, it's what you get in the end.
     
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  3. Rideandrepair

    Rideandrepair Road Train Member

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    Exactly, looking, long before buying, will educate You. There will be the deal you should have gotten, and hesitated and missed out on. But there’s always another deal around the corner. Only this time You recognize it. Unless You’re 100% sure, always give it a day or 2, think it over. Easy to get caught up in the moment. Some Salesman are so good at applying the pressure. Even the best can get rushed into s purchase.Even whenYou do the best you can, anything can happen, mechanically at any time. Buy it right, and it’s not so bad when If costs money to repair.
     
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  4. FloridaDudester

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    Good info, here. Thanks for your contribution. Does it matter what platform a given, engine is in. For example, If we're talking about a little newer models, The Cummins ISX(15?) was put in Volvo's too, unless it was the ISM. I get mixed up because I haven't been learning this for too long. Suppose, we take a Volvo with a cummins isx 10 speed (or 13 speed) and we take a freightliner with similar set up, same engine. Is there a difference in the perceived quality of the engine in one over the other because of differnces in the ECM or other relate electronics and or emissions. I'm starting to think maybe I should spend a little more and go with a 6 or 7 year old Volvo, as they seem to be liked as a comfortable ride. Provided, they are a sound platform when equipped with cummins motors.

    Can you shed light on this?
     
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  5. Rideandrepair

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    That, I don’t know about.You would think all things would be equal. But I’m not sure about Some emissions, I would definately look into what are the common problems, on the Truck/ engine/ trans combo, for whatever Truck your considering. Volvo’s and Internationals are fine, but have some unique ways of doing a few things. I haven’t really kept up much since ‘02. EGR valves, originally were a big problem, but def systems and all the expensive problems associated with them, including high heat from the systems, causing wiring harness issues, make egr seem like a minor issue.
     
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  6. spyder7723

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    You are getting raped on parts. I pay less for oem than you are paying for aftermarket.

    A basic inframe is pistons and liners. I'd do bearings also since you got the pan off. And consider doing the oil pump. You can also do injectors and replace the head if you want but that isn't considered part of a basic inframe.

    Detroit used to offer 4 levels of a rebuild. Everything from the basic liner and pistons to a brand new crate engine.

    Having done well over a dozen i would recommend a new head injectors and oil pump while doing one. Last time i bought a head it was 1653$ from Detroit.
     
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  7. FloridaDudester

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    I did go to a website last night that sells the inframe rebuild kit. It seemed pretty standard with regard to what I've seen others include. It was just over $2150.00. Given 25 hours labor at $100.00 per hr., $2500 in labor and adding a 50% profit on the kit, that's still under $6k. I suppose that doesn't really happen? I know better than to disassemble anything, thinking I can follow a manual and put it back together. I've learned that lesson and it only took me about 55 years.

    With airplanes, the debate is whether to overhaul at TBO or to wait until the health of the engine warrants it, based on oil lab tests, borescope inspection and performance as indicated by engine instruments, following, egt, oil pressure, and finally a differential compression test. I mention this as an analogy. Airplanes tend to become very poor gliders, when the engine stops. Yet, very very, esteemed mechanics and engineers in the field have determined that there are such substantial maintenance induced accidents, that if it isn't broke, don't fix it. Monitor it and keep your eye open for minor failures that will signal a future catastrophe before it happens. I've paraphrased, but that's the philosophy that not all can agree on. How would any of you recommend the engine maintenance on a semi truck, given my above rant and with justification and your findings over the years.
     
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  8. spyder7723

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    "If it ain't broke don't fix it" is a statement I'm a HUGE believer in. Funny you mention airplanes. I've ended up on two unscheduled landings in the ever glades on two separate occasion. Both times my uncle had just got his Cherokee out of the shop with a clean bill of health.

    Taking that philosophy to a truck engine means do oil samples and rebuild when the lab says its time, not over some arbitrary mileage number
     
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  9. Rideandrepair

    Rideandrepair Road Train Member

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    Which Dealer do you get the good deal from?
     
  10. FloridaDudester

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    I'm a currently non flying sport pilot. Been buiding one for 11 years, on and off. It's a way to pass time, when I need my project fix. I hang out with the old rich guys in our EAA hangar sometimes and hear their stories. It's an interesting group.

    If it ain't broke don't fix it..... I'll consider that good advice here too.
     
  11. spyder7723

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    Tampa freightliner. Been dealing with them since... #### near forever.
     
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