Pittsburg Power exhaust manifold

Naw, it's not. There is a wealth of info on this forum to read, if he'll take the time to research and read it, ask questions along the way, stop reading Movin' Out and listening to Kevin Rutherford on Sirus/XM

I know I push PDI's products, but I haven't found anything else better to use in my own truck when it comes to building power..........trust me if I find something better that will increase HP.........I'll buy it no matter who's selling it and I'll say so

 

I respect your experience and knowledge about the subject. I may not have been in this forum long as a poster, but I have been a reader here for over a year and I have been around other trucking forums since 2000.

Please don't take this wrong, but as me being a newbie to this site, you come across as having a bias grudge against PP that I have to kind of discount and serious consider anything you post about PP because compared to my own personal experiences with PP that have been good that is totally opposite of your claims that don't mention any personal experiences for me to compare.

To sum it up, it sounds like either PDI pays you or gives you free product to promote them here and to bash PP every chance and that is only my opinion coming from a newbie here first impressions. You never have anything good to say about PP (that I know different) and nothing but praises for PDI even on another thread where the PDI equipment is causing somebody problems you spin it to sound like it is not PDI's fault.

Just a non-bias observation and nothing personal. I apologize if I have offend you at all and still respect your experience and knowledge.

Thank you for letting me explain what I see here being new poster to the site.

 

As someone who has talked faced to face to both Mr Haney and Bruce from PP I can tell you they are about polar opposites. One is a salesman (think used car) The other is like the mechanic/engineer hidden in some out of the way place that has a really hot/fast car an knows what works and what doesnt as he has tried most. One sells stuff and will tell you what ever you want to hear to make a sale. The other is a driver of a very high hp truck that does not make his direct living off of selling stuff. One if you ask him how his product works will give you some oversimplified not exactly correct answer. The other will tell you how it does it and why it does it(within reason as not give away trade secrets). One will talk to you all day long as long as you are asking about "his" products. The other well.... sometimes its hard to get him to stop talking about trucks. The one, Bruce, has some knowledge to be sure. The other one, Mr Haney, has more knowledge about Cats than anyone I have ever talked to including some very good techs that work for Cat. He is also very willing to share that info. Has helped me more than once.

So on behalf of alot of members on here and others in the trucking industry I thank you Mr Haney!!!!

 

Then why are you still using PDI ECM and not one from for example BoostEng? Or a turbo build by someone who knows turbos?

 

I've been around people in business for themselves for many years. The personality of the owner of PP isn't one I want to be associated with. I actually try to avoid him and have since the first time I met him at MATS in the 90's. I've always had a sixth sense of being able to tell when the BS line doesn't match the promises. I also know that he'll be told about my comments in this post, so I'm not going to say anymore than this in a public forum

I was as sceptical about PDI's ECM tuning capabilities the first time I met the owner of PDI at Mats in 2008. What changed my mind about PDI is in later conversations with the owner his knowledge was growing very fast about how to build a high HP CAT motor. He was able to explain things in the programming of the ECM that I understood what he was saying and actually had questions in my own mind about before he told me about them. As far as personal experiences with PP products, I have the crankshaft balancer on my engine that I bought from PP. Why did I buy it from them? 1) I had been using the Balance Masters on both my truck and trailers for awhile before PP came out with the crankshaft balancer. I had bought so many Balancer Master sets for myself and friends over the years I had a deal to be able to buy at a discount from them. I knew the cranshaft balancer was made by Balance Masters and called them to buy it and couldn't. PP had made an exclusive agreement with Balance Masters to be the only company in the world that could sell them. I already knew the product was good from my past experiences with Balancer Master, so I bought the crankshaft balancer from PP and paid a premium price of 280% above what I would have paid for a wheel balancer from Balance Master.........that left a very bitter taste in my mouth on ever dealing with PP again. 2) You haven't seen as many trucks come off a chassis dyno with blown motors with a PP box on them as I have, after awhile it scares you away from the products or about recommending to people to use this as the way to build big horsepower.

I wish my bank account reflected your thoughts. I've even paid retail/list price for products I've bought from PDI before I became a dealer. Do I get a discount now?.........yes the same discount that every PDI dealer gets across the country, whether it's for my truck or my customers truck.

I've never used the power enhancement products sold by PP for a reason. I've seen too many engines suffer with their box on at dyno contests. I've seen motors that were recently rebuilt by reputable shops and owned by big Hp junkies like myself score liners, crack heads and blow head gaskets with the simple turn of that dial in a matter of a couple of seconds. All the while the engines adding fuel with parts are running strong with no problems. It gives you a new perspective on a product when you see someone else have to spend 15K to fix what you just saw happen. Why would you think I'd recommend for someone else to do the same thing after watching this happen a number of times over the years?

Now as far as to why did I give the other person the answer I did in the thread last night about PDI's products. It's simple 1) I was grouchy from working 110 hours in the past 7 days baling wheat straw, when I'm allergic to the dust from wheat straw. 2) I was tired 3) I didn't feel like trying to be diplomatic about how to explain that the programming isn't the problem. 4) The combination of the above didn't go well together.

The ECM tune will not go bad in the ECM, something else changed on the truck. Why people think the tune goes bad, I don't know. Do they think the updated flash file that CAT does during a repair goes bad after you drive the truck a month after it's been done? NO!!!!!! Hell they don't even realize that the ECM was re-flashed by CAT 99.999% of the time. But why they'll think the PDI tune has failed when the performance drops off is beyond my comprehension. The program in the ECM doesn't change over time whether it's PDI's, Bully Dog's, or CAT's. If they had CAT do the work on the engine the instead of PDI they wouldn't be able to even call some one to ask these questions. They'd have to call the CAT dealer and make an appointment to get it diagnosed and fixed, why should PDI be any different? I answer questions constantly about problems with these engines.........I don't own a shop that fixes engines........I don't try to make money fixing engines, but I'll try to help someone save money. PDI's sales staff doesn't have the luxury I have with being able to give away time to help some one diagnose problems over the phone..........it that simple. From the gentleman's post, I know it's not a PDI problem with the ECM tuning, PDI's sales staff knows it's not a tuning problem with the ECM. The truck isn't anywhere close to them, so they can look at the problem and begin fixing it, so their wasting valuable company time trying to diagnose it over the phone.......

What I was trying to impress on the person was that he needs to quit looking at the ECM tuning and quit blaming the wrong thing for his problem and to search for the correct problem.

your welcome

 

Someone that knows turbos.............interesting thought.........hmmm


Kurt Henderson an employee of BorgWarner Turbo Systems seems to think the turbo I'm running is very good. I would think the technical support rep of the manufacturer that specializes in performance applications of BorgWarner Turbo System products would tell me if he thought I needed to build a different turbo. I've asked him a number of questions in the past and he has had my turbo in his hands to examine at the factory and told me where the power limits of it will come into play................

Boost Engineeering.........I'm not ready to send him a $1700 ECM for him to take it apart and change the PROM chip and charge me another $5000 to do this. From what I can see at this time the only advantage to his programming versus PDI's is the RPM limit programmed into the ECM. I don't need 3500 RPM to do what I'm doing.

Now I have a question for you............what the hell is your problem with me?

 

Pe n is envy?

 

I will add this as it ought to be public knowledge at this point....both the 1st two gliders from PP built ...the white one with blue fenders and the red one with the lift axle broke down....the red one before it could ever pull a load...how do I know this .....I contacted the owners directly......I will not divulge their phone #'s ...but google does wonders....the red one was having to be rebuilt and the white and blue one was having injector trouble if I remember correctly.....I have used both companies products and they both have some pros and cons.....I have met both owners ie. Bruce at PP and Jared at PDI.....do I see eye to eye with both? ...No but I see more positive results from PDI than from PP...not blasting ...just my .02.....Yes I am a PDI dealer...but kind of a Black sheep of sorts....so I am not listed on the webpage as a dealer...which suits me fine ....I feel like after you get bit by the HP or fuel efficiencey bug....they are related.....you will be better suited to use the knowledge on this forum and others and try to make an intelligent product choice. RW

 

Would you care to post the link? I would love to read that. I tried google but could not find it. Google dosen't understand I don't care about gliders in the air!