Please Explain This To Me

Discussion in 'Freight Broker Forum' started by BookingYou19, Sep 25, 2013.

  1. bullhaulerswife

    bullhaulerswife Forum Leader/Admin Staff Member Administrator

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    This is not something that I can answer, since we are a one truck operation, and I always know how many hours he has left on his logs.

    Hopefully someone else can answer you about this.

    One question though, if he was out of hours, were there other circumstances that factored into him running out of hours? Excessive delay unloading that was unexpected? Etc.

    In our case any delay like that would be immediately called in, and something worked out with whoever we are working with.
     
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  3. BookingYou19

    BookingYou19 Light Load Member

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    I completely understand. I am referring more to added picks and drops in state. If it is an added pick 27 miles away adding 5 pallets, yes i will do RPM plus $50 for the work, if it is going from North Florida to South Florida, that RPM has changed since the freight in South Florida is about as bad as it gets right now. To be honest, I hate when our sourcing team tells me there are added picks or drops, or a load is cancelled, or a driver will have to layover. I hate it because it means the load isnt going as planned, I want the freight on and off of your truck in the best condition as fast as possible. The problem is that most brokers arent involved in the purchasing and sourcing process so if it says that a load weighs 30,000 lbs with 22 pallets and has its PU and DEL appts set, that is what we have to go by. The mistake was made by the shipper or has an input error, but reflects back like the broker was trying to hose the carrier. Sometimes that isnt the case, sometimes a broker is trying to back door an unsuspecting carrier,im sure that happens all the time.

    I try to be as courteous to carriers because i know they are receiving news that they dont want. The only time i get a little worked up is when they demand compensation that does not justfiy the change.
     
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  4. wichris

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    A lot of carriers will take the load knowing they don't have the hours to do it. Their only concern is to get the truck loaded and then force the broker to re-schedule it.

    Then you have the ones that show up a day late and start screaming about detention because they are a work-in.

    Most think that detention is a one way street,and that's why they need to use brokers because no customer will put up with them.
     
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  5. BookingYou19

    BookingYou19 Light Load Member

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    There were no delays. He had deadhead, but the DP called me at home and said that he was out of hrs. Something that should have been known before booking.
     
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  6. RedForeman

    RedForeman Momentum Conservationist

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    You need to strike the courtesy word from your lexicon. This is business. I don't need more friends. They cost me too much money. All you need to remember is it's my money and time you're spending when you agree with your customer to make after-the-fact changes. Notify me immediately. Best before I even turn the key to go there, or at least before I bump the dock to get the load. Don't try to strong-arm me by waiting. Work that into your prompt rate update along with the news, and we'll continue to do business.

    Likewise, when I have a setback to deal with, you will be the first call I make once I've assessed my options, decided on next steps, and figured out an updated ETA for you. When I do that, I figure out the path of least time lost and least harm, and work towards a solution. You should be doing the same. Nothing sends me into a rage quicker than someone adding time and cost to a deal and acting like I should just accept it.
     
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    Or the carrier that shows up on time for a load the broker rescheduled from earlier noted deadbeat and stands by all day on what is really a work-in. I know I'm gonna have a bad day when the shipping clerk starts with "who gave you that pickup time?" and starts laughing.
     
  8. BookingYou19

    BookingYou19 Light Load Member

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    Fair enough, I wouldnt call any of my regulars friends, but they are definitely higher than acquatainces. I used "courteous" because it seemed the best adjective to describe how to speak to others. I dont suck up to them or kiss their behinds, but i am courteous and understanding as well as matter of fact and to the point. As far as the changes, sometimes we dont know until the truck is in transit, which sucks I know. I think we are getting away fom my original questions. Why is it that is is an industry standard to pay more for added picks and drops and miles and weight and time etc.... BUt it is like pulling teeth to get money back if the opposite occurs?

    You should not accept additional work without compensation, agreed. But you should also expect deductions when work is removed or work is not done.
     
  9. BookingYou19

    BookingYou19 Light Load Member

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    That does blow. I had a guy today who is supposed to be delivered at 4 am. Got to the receiver and his appt was for 21.00! What should i have paid him? I am curious to see if i was at a market rate for that kind of wait or not.

    On the other hand, many of our shippers/recievers are FCFS and it is noted in the load con when it says 8.00-18.00 or something like that. In that case (for our company) our hands as brokers are tied and detention starts after the open ended times.
     
  10. RedForeman

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    I do, and have done so. Consequently it does not happen much at all. There is nothing industry standard about it. There are just as many brokers that refuse to pay for their shortcomings as there are like carriers.
     
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  11. BookingYou19

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    I can only speak on my experience. If a shipper/ receiver pays me for them loading/unloading a truck late. I give it to the carrier so they know next time they can rest easy that if they get screwed, they will get compensated. On the other hand I have had zero carriers call me to give money back when they are loaded light, offered money back when drops/picks are removed, or if we book a load and get a day removed from transit or the receiver takes the product early. That is just my experience. I dont expect them to call and give me money back, that would be dumb. But i hate when it seems like the end of the world to renegotiate when changes have been made in their favor. To those brokers who try and rat a driver out of money he has received form a customer for detention, good luck maintaing a reliable carrier base.
     
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