Please Explain This To Me

Discussion in 'Freight Broker Forum' started by BookingYou19, Sep 25, 2013.

  1. BookingYou19

    BookingYou19 Light Load Member

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    That makes sense. I'm saying I dont understand why it always seems to be an issue or not an issue depending on who is benefiting. If we agree it will weight 40,000. And it weighs 30,000. I never get reimbursed. I say that because we do lease the entire truck. So if it weighs 5 lbs to the Max, it should be the same rate then, not one way but not the other. I have booked plenty of 1 pallet loads that should be packed down. But we also dont allow other freight to ride along on some loads so it has to be done that was on occassion.
     
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  3. BookingYou19

    BookingYou19 Light Load Member

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    That is my point. How can you call it Nickel and Diming, if you agreed to do it for a price and a trans time. But ask for a shorter trans time, get your shorter trans time, then refuse to renegotiate. Feels like you are trying to do the nickel and diming.
     
  4. BookingYou19

    BookingYou19 Light Load Member

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    No it didnt. Did delivering a day late change the miles? No, that is my point! It goes one way but not the other. With every action is an equal and opposing reaction. The carrier agreed to a rate and time on the truck. Asked for a favor in getting it off earlier. It was obliged, yet there is no reward for the work? If that is the case what is to stop every broker from ignoring their request since there is no benefit to them?
     
  5. sdaniel

    sdaniel Road Train Member

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    If you know the max , say set it at 45000 then base rates at that, your carriers would never be fussing about extra weight. They will be pleasantly surprised, instead of calling griping . Word will get out that's max , and loads rarely are that heavy be a little dip in call for a week or two , but once that spreads they go back to normal .
     
  6. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    I'm not one of these drivers that worries about the weight of a load. I don't seek out "lighter loads". It either pays a rate or it doesn't and I act accordingly. 5lbs or 45,000lbs makes no difference to me, give me my rate and load up the truck, I'm satisfied. With regards to a broker thinking maybe someone should give them money back because it was lighter. If it picks up a few tenths of a mpg that's a few cents on the mile, why the heck are you so keen to grab money back? In many cases it's likely these carriers took your load for either a very low, yet acceptable offer, or even worse - a loss. Being what carriers are up against out here, is it really any wonder none of us are ever volunteering to give money back to you guys?
     
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  7. ost1

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    It sounds to me like the problem is in the contract you sign. 4 hours before detention? NFW. if I'm on time you have 2 hours to have me empty/loaded after that you get billed by the 1/4 hour. Consequently you should word your contract to have like monetary penalties for the trucks/drivers who are late. If a broker doesn't get paid detention that is their problem, they need to negotiate better. If you allow trucks to be late with no consequences then it's shame on you. Worrying about pennies over a couple of pounds to me is senseless. Everyone knows shippers can't do math when it comes to load weight. If you've hauled more than once in your life you expect the weight to be off. Personally I'm more concerned with space. If the brokers says 20' and its 25' then it's an issue because it prevents me from fitting more freight on. If its billed by the TL then it's a TL and as long as I'm not over gross then lets go make some money. 50,70 or 80k my expenses change very little.
     
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  8. BookingYou19

    BookingYou19 Light Load Member

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    That is my argument. I dont think we should give carriers money back if it comes up short on weight. But I also dont think we should have to compensate f it comes back a little heavier either.

    My point was if it is one way, it should go the other. Just like miles and picks and drops usually do.
     
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  9. wichris

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    Load isn't paying by the hour. Unless you're agreeing to pay a layover for an extra day and get it changed why would you even think of a rate reduction? Dealing with detention and late trucks is a valid point but this example is ridiculous. What's next? 2 hours before detention starts and the truck is loaded in 1/2 hour so you want a rate reduction?
     
  10. BookingYou19

    BookingYou19 Light Load Member

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    I should have lead with this but i work mainly with produce, occasional fixture loads. Produce freight doesnt have any industry standard for detetnion but we call it after 4 hrs since the commodities are so off and on. For our fixture loads and dry freight it is 2 hrs before the meter is running. On the other hand, this post egan with 3 seperate issues, i think it took a turn towrds focusng on weight, which i think i have laid out my views on. I'd like to hear more on added picks and drops or miles and removing days or adding days and how it typically effects rates.
     
  11. BookingYou19

    BookingYou19 Light Load Member

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    I understand, but you keep changing your point of view. First it was "miles didnt change did they?" Now it's "load isnt paying by the hour". So which is it? Are you being paid by miles or time? Or do you choose which one suits for that load and go with that? We do pay for layover, for an added day, we pay for added miles, if they apply. I was just curious to see why it should be a refund if we reduce miles, and reduce time on the truck.

    And no, the detention comparison is just simple hyperbole.
     
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