Please help-need to do serpentine backing.

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by VegasMark, Apr 15, 2011.

  1. VegasMark

    VegasMark Bobtail Member

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    OK, I'm in my 12th week at AIT here in Las Vegas. Classroom no prob. DMV Tests all passed. Have Class A CDL Permit. Can do ally dock ok, and no problem with parrel parking or the right turn on the range. I am having a brain fart on the Serpentine Backing maneuver, I seem to screw it up every time. Any help appreciated..I know, "It's easy" but this one has got me. Need to thread backwards thru 3 cones spaced about 30 yards apart.
     
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  3. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    This is gonna sound stupid but it was the only way I could get to some guys.

    Go to a store and buy a toy tractor trailer. Put three bottle caps on a table and have someone do the maneuver with the toy while you sit in a chair mimicking the actions the driver should be taking to perform what the toy is doing.
     
  4. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    Just think of it as 2 parallel parks...back thru the first set and try to have the trailer parallel to the cone line as the tandems pass the center cone. Then just do another parallel maneuver in the opposite direction as the first move. And just like parallel parking, the key is to keep your angles as shallow as possible, jacking the trailer only enough to get it over to the other lane. I'm just visualizing here, as I never went to a school, but I'd say 25-30 degrees should be the max. You do want the trailer in it's proper lateral position as early as possible in the first, as you'll be able to get it parallel to the cones before the tandems pass the middle cone. hope this makes sense!
     
  5. VegasMark

    VegasMark Bobtail Member

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    Yes it does make sense. The problem is: when I am doing the manouver, if I mess up even a little bit, the instructor asks me what I am doing. He even called me a dummy once, which of course infuriated me. I am 56 years old, and I'm not paying $4,500 for these lessons to hear I am stupid. If I can just be let alone, I can figure this one out. Give me a tractor and trailer, a big parking lot, 3 cones...and I will have it down in a few hours. But I am on the range, and 3 other students are waiting there turns..so that is the situation I am in.

    Your way makes a lot of sense, so I will try that today..and let you all know how I did.

    Thank You.
     
  6. sycofirefighter

    sycofirefighter Bobtail Member

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    Turn the wheel as little as possible. Your wheel will be straight longer than you turn it. If you turn to much on the first turn you magnify how much you have to turn the wheel on the next cone and so forth. Start turning the wheel as soon as the wheels are NEXT to the cone, by the time you turn the steering wheel enough to start the trailer wheels turning they will be in the perfect place, then look in your spot mirror and straighten the wheel as soon as you see the cone so you are straight then do it again. I always put my hand at the bottom of the steering wheel, then push whatever way I want the trailer to go. Push left, front wheels go right trailer goes left.
     
  7. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    If you're a visual learner, just sit and think it through. If you're more hands on, try the toy as Tazz suggests.

    The key to this is to be early: Have the trailer starting over before the first cone, parallel before the middle one, and starting the trailer back towards parallel before the last cone.
     
  8. Jynxx

    Jynxx Medium Load Member

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    Now that is actually a really darn good idea. :)
     
  9. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    Try training foreign students how to back a feed wagon down a free stall barn and you'll get creative
    :biggrin_255:

    Kids had lot's of smarts but the majority had never even driven a car, which in some cases was a blessing, let alone 40,000 lb trailer on a draw bar of an articulting tractor.

    What a farm boy considers normal most drivers term impossible.
     
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