PM schedule/ Fuel and Oil additives, do they work?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Viking84, Aug 5, 2013.

  1. Freightlinerbob

    Freightlinerbob Road Train Member

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    Instead of wasting money on useless, unproven additives. I suggest increasing the frequency of your service intervals.

    According to my 2005 Columbia's lube manual, 25,000 miles is the limit on most grease points. Series 60's used to have 25,000 mile oil change intervals as well, I believe.

    I'd do a LOF every 12.5-15K.
     
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  3. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    Additives are gimmicks, waste of money. Sample every time you dump the oil. Change, clean (if you have old school primary fuel filter) filters every time you dump oil. When you have to add that first gallon of oil, by the time you need to add a second, change the oil. Mine gets dumped before 12,500 miles.

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  4. US MARINE

    US MARINE Heavy Load Member

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    I stand corrected
     
  5. fortycalglock

    fortycalglock Road Train Member

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    The first round of add ons were in 03 engines/04 chassis. This was EGR or an extra turbo for Cats. 07 engines/08 chassis got DPF, which dies a regeneration to clean out the filter. '10 engines/11 chassis got DEF to lessen the regens of the DPF system.
    As far as DPF systems out early, I'm sure there are some that were used for testing. The small fleet I worked for in 2001 had a C15 removed from one of their trucks and a test ACCERT put in. The driver had to go to the CAT shop almost every week and have the ECM dumped and recalibrated with the newest program.
     
  6. Viking84

    Viking84 Light Load Member

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    The company I leased on with (ROEHL) bought a bunch of 2007 Freightliners back in late 2006 and put them in storage. I have heard various reasons such as it was to get around the 2008 emissions changes, or that they just got a good deal on them. Either way, Roehl started issuing these trucks to company drivers in middle of 2010. So even though my truck is an 07 model, it did not start service until summer of 2010.
     
  7. Horse Whisperer

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    I did an enormous amount of research on oil filtration/bypass systems before putting my S60 in the shop for an out of frame overhaul... I had already decided that I wanted to go full synthetic on the oil, so now, all I needed was a decision on the bypass system:

    I looked at the OPS, Gulfcoast, and AmsOil systems, compared price to filtration claims, etc...

    Ultimately, I went a slightly different direction: I installed the Spinner II, 560 HE centrifuge system.

    The difference between the centrifuge and filter systems came down to 3 primary factors, in THIS order of importance:

    1. ACTUAL filtration efficiency... The OPS system rates at 2 microns (full flow filters are usually 15-25 micron efficiency); the Amsoil was comparable, and the Gulfcoast asserts "Less than 1 micron"... The 560 HE asserts 1/10th of a micron efficiency;

    2. Ease of use/servicing... the filter systems tend to be messy, and, in my PERSONAL opinion, a bit wasteful (for instance, the Gulfcoast filter estimates 3 gallons of makeup oil when changing the filter element... for Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel oil, that's about $100 plus the cost of the filter element)... the 560HE has a $60 drop in cartridge (avg interval of 40k miles, no make up oil required); and, finally,

    3. Cost. Of all the considerations, THIS one has the lowest priority since the cost of the motor and frequent oil changes makes a bypass system well worth the $$$ in any circumstance (in my opinion, based on research and consultation with mechs, manufacturers, etc)... The OPS system is about $800, the Gulfcoast is about $1100, and I don't remember what the AmsOil was... doesn't really matter... the 560 HE, with an extra replacement cartridge was right about $600 from the Iowa80 website... Spinner II has a large capacity model (900 something), but, when I talked to their tech, he actually DOWNSOLD me... hmmm... the 900 series costs about $200 more, but has a lower RPM, and is more suitable to off-road, heavy machinery type applications...

    NOW! All that having been said, I made my decision based upon my own research... WHEN I have results, I will be sharing them here with one and all... The oil change interval is supposed to be at least 500k... I will be taking oil samples every 15k miles, and posting them HERE for all to examine... understand, I don't stand to gain one penny from endorsing or debunking any particular system... I'm going to share my results for the benefit of all those who are considering a bypass system installation... hence, opinions are pretty irrelevant before I have results... once I have oil samples posted, I will be seeking any and all commentary on those results... I can say, that when I took the truck to the shop, I was getting an average of 7.8 mpg loaded, but my turbo was coughing and I had 1 million, 5 thousand (and some change), miles on the motor... the overhaul was a complete out of frame, including the "facelift -- Bull gear, idler gear, cam shaft, etc)... I was using Lucas with Mobil DelVac for the last 120k miles... I'd get a PM and, about 4500-7000 miles later, when I needed a makeup gallon, I'd drop a gallon of Lucas in... Lucas is an awesome revitalizer (in my opinion), but putting it in FRESH oil is a waste of $$$ since it's just "revitalizing" NEW oil... but I digress LOL!

    So... I get my truck back Monday and will be diligent with my "new" motor... stayed tuned!
     
  8. deming807

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    1/10th micron is overkill IMO. I got FS2500 for $700. Filter change every 10k miles ($30) + 1.5qrt fresh oil + oil analysis.
     
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  9. Downhill

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    When you have a moment, could you update us on where you stand now? Thanks!
     
  10. icsheeple

    icsheeple Trailing the Herd

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    Lol, we've only been waiting since 2013.
     
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  11. Cowpie1

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    Well, thread revived from the dead, so might as well flow with it.

    The pre-egr Detroit 60 I have, it gets 20K mile oil changes. The Lube manual says 15K, but oil samples look pretty good, so I take it to 20K. I get some spikes at that point in the sample, so 20K is my comfort zone. I have a FS2500 as well, but I don't change the filter at 10K like FS wants me to do. They are in the market to sell filters. I change the filter at 20K when I change the oil. It takes care of soot just fine to that point. On greasing, every 5K miles. Sample kits are provided to me free along with free oil analysis by my oil supplier. The oil is sampled at 20K when changed. Just fill out the slip, drop the bottle in their prepaid ship package and send it to them. They email me the results.
     
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