Pre DEF gliders?

Emissions codes don't mean emissions failures. There's a lot of non-emissions items that will give you emissions codes.

There are also a lot of drivers and fleets that ignore their maintenance intervals who cause their emissions problems, and then come on thetruckersreport.com and complain about how emissions suck.

Emissions do have failures. They've gotten significantly better over the years. But anyone who tells you that 9 / 10 or even 8 / 10 tows are emissions related are wrong. Sure - maybe they're "emissions" related, and I'd tell you that there's a very good chance the driver or the fleet ignored their maintenance and caused it.

Like I've previously said - most of the drivers who come into our dealership don't know how their own trucks work, but complain about them. They'll run it out of DEF til it derates, then refill it and expect the derate to clear and complain when it doesn't. Then cry when warranty isn't going to pay for it.

 

Fair enough however; How many emissions failures were there pre-EGR, DPF, DEF days? This whole emissions thing is a scam and has done nothing but raise the cost of trucks by $30,000 not to mention the added cost of maintenance and down time which like you said many fleets "ignore." In many cases that's because they can't afford it.

 

Just as many? Nothing about it is a scam. Reducing emissions coming from vehicles is incredibly important. No, most fleets ignore maintenance because they'd rather continue driving, not because they have issues affording it.

 

Just got through reading this thread and I really must say that most issues that come up with the glider I've had have not put me on side of the road. Don't have to wry about def fluid or extra maintenance. Emission related issues depending on where you break down could take days to fix this pre emmisions truck at most can be in and out in a day or two at max.
Why anyone would want to go get a emissions truck and have to do extra work to get it down the road is beyond me

 

If it's de rates that is a good sign it emmissions related.

 

I drove close to 500000 miles in 4 different emissions trucks I am have not been tow once or spent more than 2 days in shop. Majority of trucks on road are emission truck and also drive by company truck so their is going to be more of them in shop or tow.

 

If the majority of freight is moved by small companies and owner operators last I checked I'd be willing to bet that most of them are not running emissions trucks at least not newer than 2007

 

When I say emissions truck i was talking about all the way from 04 that is the time they start putting egr on trucks

 

I can tell you this: I see a lot more broke down newer trucks these days than I did 20 years ago. It was a rarity back then to see a truck that wasn't more than 10 years old and been rode hard and put up wet on the side of the road.

And something no one has mentioned is weight. These emission trucks are heavier. A dang DPF filter is stinkin' heavy. My long-hood '99 W9 is lighter than some of our company Volvos, and they are short-framed midroofs. MUCH shorter than my truck. But they got them fancy filters and DEF tanks and crap.

 

how can it be "just as many" when EGr, DPF DEF didn't exist back then?