question about antennas and skip from the pros.

Discussion in 'CB Radio Forum' started by Logan76, Oct 21, 2012.

  1. Logan76

    Logan76 Crusty In Training

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    So when I bought my house it had an old base antenna on a big metal pole, about 3 stories high. it had old big foam coax into the house so naturally I hooked up a power supply and tossed a radio on that antenna, just a cobra 29 blue tooth and i checked SWR with radio and radioshack meter and it's right around 1.4:1 so i keyed up and my buddy could hear me clear as a bell 2 miles away.

    My question is as follows:

    the antenna at my house picks up all kind of skip, no matter the time of day or night if I turn it on I can hear someone talking from all over the world, I have a predator 10k on my truck with #### near perfect SWR and really good coax that is routed up under my head liner and not coiled, i have had a magnum S6 175, cobra 148 gtl w/ 250w amp, general lee, and a galaxy 44hp in that truck and never pick up skip or anything like that. I've tried a wilson 2k and different coax, still nothing.

    I'm not a big "skip" talker, i have bigger radios because when I run local I have alot of friends that drive truck and we talk to each other, I'm just curious as to why my ol' no frills cobra at home on probably a 20 year old antenna can hear so well.
     
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  3. handlebar

    handlebar Heavy Load Member

    Hiya, Logan.
    A couple of things come immediately to mind, but they *may* not apply here. My best guess is that your base installation has an antenna that's much higher in the first place, up a little farther away from some of the sources of man-made noise that your truck has to endure (or that it also generates). And that "old base antenna" could very well be a superior performer in the first place than the Predator that you've got on the truck, or anything else that you've tried on the truck as well. Nearly anything that you can put on a vehicle will, by necessity, be some sort of a compromise because of the limitations of available metal area that we've come to call "ground plane", and anything shorter than about 106"-ish will be a lossy antenna. A typical "base antenna" from years gone by, unless it was designed to fit into a restricted height location, might well be over 18 feet tall, and actually exhibit gain.
    So add the benefits of greater height, greater antenna gain, and lower "site noise", and it's not much of a surprise that, given the info you've stated, your base hears stuff that your mobile never does.
    But park your truck on a tall hill and shut off all the electrical systems that you can and you might recover many of those losses. It would be an interesting experiment, and give you a chance to try it out for yourself. And keep in mind that the "big radio" in your truck typically only has more "oomph" in the transmitter; the Cobra has a pretty nice receiver, hard to beat.
    Others will doubtless have more ideas; those are just the first ones that jump out at me.
    Drive safe,
    Handlebar
     
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  4. Logan76

    Logan76 Crusty In Training

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    Thank's handlebar, I would guess that 18' would be a good guess on the antenna height along with the fact the pole it's sitting ontop of is as high as my 2 story house.

    I was wondering if your only supposed to use 18' of coax how come this antenna on the house works with much farther lengths of coax? I appreciate the info because I really like the CB at the house, it's fun to mess around with if i'm home and some of my friends are further out I can tell them if I hear them or whatnot.

    I thought about buying a whole new set up for a base and adding it to my garage, then doing away with the one on the house as the wife said it's ugly, is the A99 a decent base antenna for on my garage, school me a bit on base operations, but be very general because I can hook up wires and twist connectors but thats about as far as my knowledge goes.
     
  5. Turbo-T

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    Simply put, your antenna is way high in the air, and it "sees" more than a mobile antenna usually does. That allows you to talk farther AND receive farther too.

    Even better is if your home happens to be on top of a big hill, mountain, etc that overlooks the surroundings.

    Of course we do not know if the feed point of the antenna or the tip is 3 stories high, nor do we know what type of antenna you have. So therefore if you have for instance, a 24' tall Imax 2000 with the feed point at 30 ft. up, that puts the tip of the antenna at 54 feet.
     
  6. Freightlinerbob

    Freightlinerbob Road Train Member

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    Funny, I hear all kinds of skip with my Wilson Trucker 2000 in my truck, all the time. I just can't talk back it seems.
     
  7. MsJamie

    MsJamie Road Train Member

    Let's see...

    Base antenna: ~18' of metal in the air.
    Mobile antenna: ~3' of metal in the air.

    Base: 30' high - low angle of radiation (favorable for skip)
    Mobile: *maybe* 8-9' high (higher angle of radiation)

    Base: Either has radials (ground plane), or a design that doesn't need a ground plane
    Mobile: Has little to no ground plane

    Simply put, the base antenna puts out (and hears) a LOT better than the mobile antenna.

    Also, there is nothing magical about 9' (or multiples thereof) lengths of coax. With the velocity factor figured in, 9' is just under 3/8 of a wavelength at 27 MHz.
     
  8. mike5511

    mike5511 Road Train Member

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    This all reminds me of back in the day when a friend and I would go out on a high hill with a radio,a 100 watt linear, an ice chest full of cold refreshments, and a Cushcraft Ringo antenna on a push up pole. We'd set it up using the spare tire to help anchor the push up poll, and enjoy hours of talking "long distance". This was always done at night so there wasn't a lot of skip talking going on, but we'd talk 50 miles or better to surrounding towns and communities. Awwww the good ol' days!!!!
     
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  9. handlebar

    handlebar Heavy Load Member


    Sounds like a single op Field Day contest station in June, but without the competitive pressure and the annoying logs :)
     
  10. hayseed

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    Glad you made it back down the hill in one piece. You got some pretty nastiy hills and curves in your neck of the woods.
     
  11. mike5511

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    Those were the good ol days. Talking to a base in Springfield, MO was quite a feat back then. Get over towards West Plains sometimes too. I was up on a mountain top the other day and talked a good 50 to 60 miles with my little Pro510 and Wilson 1000. Hit them with about 9 pounds!!
     
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