Question about Driving w/o CDL and losing permit.

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  1. TonyaBunny

    TonyaBunny Bobtail Member

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    My fiancee just got his CDL learner's permit yesterday and starting his training at the beginning of June. The company he works for has been basically been having him drive a CMV, sometimes it's under the 26k limit, most times it's not for the past 6 months. He's brought it to their attention many, many times, his supervisor has even told higher ups they need to hire someone with a CDL, they outright refuse saying that it would cost too much money and tell them to continue as usual. It's frustrating to say the least. He's been deathly afraid of getting pulled over as he should be.
    Today he's going to start outright refusing, he doesn't want to lose his permit and then not be able to take classes or get instruction. He's also very afraid of losing his job. Any advice would be appreciated.
     
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  3. Friday

    Friday Road Train Member

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    If he's been driving that long and not screwing up, what's holding him back from just going and testing to get his full cdl? It's just a driving test
     
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  4. bigguns

    bigguns Road Train Member

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    If he wants to mess up his record, lose his driving privileges, etc he should continue to do as he has been doing. Otherwise find a job working for better people.
     
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  5. Bean Jr.

    Bean Jr. Road Train Member

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    Here is from the Missouri State website, but it is the same in all states;

    Year Disqualification
    • Driving a CMV with a BAC of 0.04% or higher.
    • Driving while under the influence of alcohol or drugs if the person is a CDL holder or if person is operating a CMV.
    • Refusing blood and/or breath test if the person is a CDL holder or if person is operating a CMV.
    • Failing to stop at the scene of an accident if the accident causes injury or death.
    • Using a CMV to commit a felony.
    • Driving a CMV with a revoked, suspended, canceled, or disqualified privilege.
     
  6. Bean Jr.

    Bean Jr. Road Train Member

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    So, yes, getting caught driving a cmv without a cdl would be bad for his future.
     
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  7. pattyj

    pattyj Road Train Member

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    Your mam will lose his CDL in a yr or less if he continues to work for this company.Its crystal clear this company doesn't believe in laws.So tell him to be prepared hauling loads over the legal limit going over legal hours ect ect. If your man wants to be stupid when he is fully aware he is braking the law then so be it I hope he gets caught.
     
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  8. Chinatown

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    Is he driving a box truck or an 18 wheeler?
    Either way, he's supposed to have a cdl driver in the truck with him at all times if all he has is a cdl permit. He cannot cross state lines either while driving.
    Which state are you in?
     
  9. Mark Kling

    Mark Kling Technology Contributor

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    http://dor.mo.gov/forms/CDL Manual.pdf

    He did not have the proper endorsements he could be trouble also..
     
  10. Moose1958

    Moose1958 Road Train Member

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    Just for the record a Commercial Motor Vehicle is NOT defined by the 26,000 thing. This is for CDL's ONLY. This can be confusing because you are required to log when driving a CMV and you can drive a CMV without a CDL if said vehicle is under 26,000 and over 10,000. Be mindful of this!


    From 390.5
    Commercial motor vehicle means any self-propelled or towed motor vehicle used on a highway in interstate commerce to transport passengers or property when the vehicle—
    (1) Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating, or gross vehicle weight or gross combination weight, of 4,536 kg (10,001 pounds) or more, whichever is greater; or
    (2) Is designed or used to transport more than 8 passengers (including the driver) for compensation; or
    (3) Is designed or used to transport more than 15 passengers, including the driver, and is not used to transport passengers for compensation; or
    (4) Is used in transporting material found by the Secretary of Transportation to be hazardous under 49 U.S.C. 5103 and transported in a quantity requiring placarding under regulations prescribed by the Secretary under 49 CFR, subtitle B, chapter I, subchapter C.
     
  11. x1Heavy

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    Have someone drive his butt with a 18 wheeler to a DMV and test for the #### CDL. Today.

    Otherwise do NOT. whatever happens get in a commercial vehicle alone with that Permit. That is classified as driving without CDL and you will probably stab your future on that charge. Forget it.

    It's GROSS vehicle weights NOT 26K. Forget the #### 26K. That's for CDL B.

    That permit is not worth the paper it's on inside a vehicle capable of taking 80K weight.
     
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