I am gathering information for my letter to the fmcsa concerning mandatory eobr's. I have never used one and never want to. I would like to hear all possible ways that you can cheat while using them. We have a Canadian customer that buys one load per week. Occasionally they will order two loads and our company will have an outside carrier with eobr's take a load to the border where our driver takes the load across because they don't have passports. One driver knew he was about an hour short on his driving time of being able to make it to the meeting point. He told our driver that he gained the extra hour by stopping several times for 5 minutes which let him gain about 10 minutes driving time at every stop. Can anyone better explain how he did that as well as tell about other tricks that help you gain time?
Question about EOBR's
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by freedhardwoods, Mar 25, 2011.
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Mark the stop as a break for 1/4 hour but drive for 10 minutes of that. Depending on speed and distance, could cause log auditor to charge you with speeding, or could if audited by DOT iivoke a ticket for speeding.
There's a bit more to it than that, but that is the basis from what you stated.
PS, this won't apply to eobr logs, only to paper.Last edited: Mar 25, 2011
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the FMCSA knows of all the ways to cheat EOBR's and under a microscope the DMV can detect it if properly trained by them. An EOBR is to help an honest individual be honest jus like a padlock is to the same. I honestly think your wasting time by writing a letter and think if you'd support the groups out there already fighting for truckers privacy, safety and other industry related issues worthwhile... Like OOIDA... if you aren't already, you'd be better off.
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This driver was using a "black box", not paper logs. He said what he was doing would get him through a roadside inspection, but not an in-house audit. I'm not sure if he knows that, or just thinks that.
Lots of people say "They don't read those letters" or "You are wasting your time". Mark Reddig on Landline Now (OOIDA's radio show) said that the fmcsa is required to read every comment that is sent to them and encouraged people to send in their comments. I have been a member of OOIDA for 17 or 18 years. Many of the members, including me, actually do something about the problems we face besides just whine about it. That is supporting them and is why we have so much influence.
I don't expect to point out something about cheating that they don't know, but as Mark and others have said, if you have facts to back up what you are saying, your letter can make a difference. I am doing research before I even start writing my comment. I did my research before I wrote my comment about the rule changes, which is why several local companies took copies of my letter for their employees and drivers to sign and and send in. People that do nothing but rant get little attention from anyone.Last edited: Mar 26, 2011
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For me, it is all about your individual rights. That is OOIDA's main concern also. I always have and always will say the government is sticking their nose where it doesn't belong in this and many other areas. As long as I or anyone else is driving safely, they should just leave us alone. Many companies have gone to EOBR's to keep the government off their back, not because of safety problems. It is a compliance tool, not a safety tool. There are many drivers driving tired instead of resting when they need to just to stay compliant.
I talked to the manager of a 100 truck company nearby that told me exactly that. They have had a very good safety record all along. The only reason they went to EOBR's was to avoid fines if they got audited. He also said it made a very significant drop in their profits when they switched because they couldn't haul near as many loads as before. I spoke with one of their drivers that has been there several years without any tickets. He said his personal income dropped 30% when they switched.
As with everything else concerning the government, they will probably get away with it because most people just sit back and do nothing but whine about it.
Someone will figure out a way to change the records without leaving tracks. It would be illegal, but since when does that stop anyone from doing anything?Rocks Thanks this. -
That just proves his company had been operating in violation 30% of the time. Might want to leave that part out of your letter, the part were it made them get compliant
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We're on elogs using the QualComm product - a little different than a hardware box, but the same approach.
Since the load planners have a 100% accurate picture of everyone's hours and when their status changes occur, we are significantly "busier" than when we were on paper logs. I'd say my loads come through more quickly, and I have much less "sitting around time" waiting for load/unload appointments.
If a carrier is complaining about lowered revenue because of being on an EOBR or elogs, its because they weren't running compliant in the first place. -
Go to www.thekeystruckers.com jim and jan mccarter are o/os leased to JBHunt they just completed the lease their a husband and wife team. Anyway they had a ebor installed on there truck and they love it they wrote an artical about it on therei website. Even though they like it im not in favor of them but you might want to see how they really work not just cb talk
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I too enjoyed my EOBR / Qualcomm. It kept my dispatcher in check not allowing him to push the edge and did my logs. Going back to paper was a pain.
You can cheat the EOBR . One way is to use the approved lunch and off duty times to move within the plant which gets you a double bonus. You save drive time and the saved hours push your 70. Another way is to know the trip mileage triggering the drive mode. Can be as much as 2 miles or over 5 mph. Some drivers have used this to get on the yard from the light down the street.
Another driver ahh persuaded the mechanic to give him the codes. His q.c. no longer alerts over 70mph, tracks the truck or alerts to hard brake or lateral shift.
And of course we have the management team in my co. whom was making hours for drivers through the back door of the system. Yeah someone found out and turned on the password protection so they can't do it again but...... -
Yeah, you can "cheat" the system a bit - but it's a lot less "cheatable" than paper logs...
- Loose leaf - rip out pages until the log fits the deed.
- Multiple log books - pick the one that matches how many hours over the limit you are.
- Running at one speed, logging at a much higher speed.
- Yadda, yadda, yadda...
Most of what drivers do to cheat EOBRs or elogs will be detectable in a full compliance audit. You can fool the system into thinking you haven't moved or there are more hours available than are actually there - but you can't alter the GPS location tags. Time and distance - either it matches the logged data to the GPS tags or it doesn't. Remember... GPS is accurate to +/- 30 feet in the less-sensitive commercial mode.
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