Question about Marijuana and trucking in Canada

Discussion in 'Canadian Truckers Forum' started by LittleRed77, Nov 24, 2018.

  1. LittleRed77

    LittleRed77 Bobtail Member

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    Hey there, I was wondering if anyone could link me to an article or website where the regulations regarding cannabis use and driving a tractor trailer. I keep finding conflicting information

    I've been working for the same company for 4 years and I'm looking to move to a better paying one but I have an issue. That issue is that I use medical marijuana (for my back and general stress relief). My current workplace tests under suspicion and after an incident with blood tests so I have had no problems as I never ever have driven under the influence and even if there was a suspicion the blood test would show no THC in my system at that time. However some workplaces use urine tests which are extremely inaccurate (can detect usage 4-6 weeks ago)..imagine a urine test detected 4-6 weeks of alcohol consumption? Not a very accurate way to measure alcohol intoxication either.

    The job in question says they drug test applicants (despite the fact the job is for Canada only runs). What I'm wondering now is that since cannabis is legal how does this affect these tests? Are they going to use these cheeks swabs I've heard about that test usage within 4 hours? Have they upgraded to blood tests to test more accurately?

    I know that with cross border jobs the rules are the same as before due to DOT regulations but for work within Canada does anyone have any real answers regarding this? Once again, I'd like to say again I never plan on driving intoxicated, I never smoke/consume cannabis until after my shift or on weekends but that's not going to stop be from facing issues with a standard urine test. Worse are the hair follicle tests which detect up to 6 months, what a joke. Meanwhile....meth,cocaine,and opiates can be out of your system in as little as 2 days.
     
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  3. LittleRed77

    LittleRed77 Bobtail Member

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    Here's what I found online:

    This is directly from Bill-C46 (the cannabis legalization document) and explains how the police will be dealing with cannabis intoxication:

    Investigative Matters

    Testing for presence of alcohol or drug

    320.‍27 (1) If a peace officer has reasonable grounds to suspect that a person has alcohol or a drug in their body and that the person has, within the preceding three hours, operated a conveyance, the peace officer may, by demand, require the person to comply with the requirements of either or both of paragraphs (a) and (b) in the case of alcohol or with the requirements of either or both of paragraphs (a) and (c) in the case of a drug:
    (a) to immediately perform the physical coordination tests prescribed by regulation and to accompany the peace officer for that purpose;
    (b) to immediately provide the samples of breath that, in the peace officer’s opinion, are necessary to enable a proper analysis to be made by means of an approved screening device and to accompany the peace officer for that purpose;
    (c) to immediately provide the samples of a bodily substance that, in the peace officer’s opinion, are necessary to enable a proper analysis to be made by means of approved drug screening equipment and to accompany the peace officer for that purpose.
    Testing of blood — alcohol and drugs

    (5) Samples of an accused’s blood taken or obtained in the course of an investigation of an offence under section 253 may be analyzed to determine the accused’s blood alcohol concentration or blood drug concentration, or both.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    This is from labourandemploymentlaw.com regarding testing in the workplace:

    Marijuana Testing

    Current testing does not accurately indicate when marijuana was consumed, and, until recently, there has been no consensus on a particular THC level (THC is the chemical responsible for most of marijuana’s effects) that indicates impairment. However, under a new Regulation (made under Bill C-46), the federal government has set specific blood THC levels for the purpose of measuring impairment when operating a motor vehicle or vessel. According to the Regulation, it will be a summary offence to operate a motor vehicle with blood-THC concentration of at least 2 nanograms per millilitre of blood, and a hybrid offence with at least 5 nanograms per millilitre of blood.

    Generally speaking, these standards were not intended for workplace drug testing policies and are likely to be the subject of further legal debate. Nevertheless, employers who are seeking to implement a THC impairment standard in the workplace may be justified in adopting these standards, depending upon the nature of the workplace.
     
  4. Jazz1

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    Your question should be directed to the company. Some companies have their heads up their butts due to ignorance.
    If you have not ingested or smoked any weed for 8 hours you are good to go. Our company policy is "report fit for duty and remain fit while on duty" Company lawyers referred to Human Rights Act Labour Code as well as Controlled drugs and Substances Act prior to penning our Controlled Substances and Alcohol Policy. We have over 1000 drivers.
     
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  5. not4hire

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    Prior to legalization, a driver prescribed medical cannabis was generally legal in Canada. We discussed it in this thread.

    There are no federally mandated tests for a commercial vehicle driver's use of marijuana in Canada. Even before it became legal there were none. Therefore, there is no "legal" test; neither urine, hair, blood or swab. It has been treated the same as alcohol vis-a-vis driving while impaired.

    Now, legally speaking, I fully expect it has to be treated the same as alcohol in terms of use vs. impairment. I also question whether any companies that do test will withstand a court challenge on the basis of use vs. impairment. Of course impairment while driving is not only still illegal, but stupid.

    Here is information, including driving if using cannabis, from the current version of NSC Standard 6 - Medical Standards for Drivers - March 2017

    15.6.1 Medication – Prescribed - All Drivers
    This standard applies to prescribed medication including psychotropic drugs and prescribed medical marijuana

    STANDARD All drivers eligible for a licence if
    • The functional abilities necessary for driving are not impaired and
    • Where required, a functional assessment shows that the side effects of medication does not affect ability to drive
    Drivers on a formal methadone maintenance program must
    provide an addictions specialist report, in addition to meeting
    the above requirements.​

    Conditions for maintaining licence None

    Rationale The use of a psychotropic drug does not mean that a driver is ineligible for a licence. Where there is some evidence of a persistent cognitive impairment associated with the stable use of a drug, an individual assessment of the effect of the drug is required to determine licence eligibility.

    15.6.4 Alcohol, Cannabis and Driving – All drivers

    STANDARD Impaired individuals are not permitted to drive any class of motor vehicle

    Conditions for maintaining licence None

    Rationale Alcohol is known to impair the ability to operate a motor vehicle safely

    Medical Marijuana (Cannabis) is known to impair the ability to operate a motor vehicle safely. In general, individuals should not drive for approximately 5 hours after consuming medical marijuana and not drive at all if consuming 3 or more joints a day.

    - https://www.ccmta.ca/images/pdf-documents-english/CCMTA-Medical-Standards-2017-English.pdf
     
  6. not4hire

    not4hire Road Train Member

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    Also from the aforementioned thread (Post #92)...

    I believe "most" is inaccurate; "some" would be accurate.

    Random testing in Canada is generally considered to be "an unjustified affront to employees’ dignity and privacy when there is no reasonable cause to do so, or in the absence of an accident or near miss and outside the context of a rehabilitation plan or last chance agreement for an employee with an acknowledged drug or alcohol problem."
    - News + Views + Events - Field Law

    Yes, drug testing is a requirement for certain "safety sensitive" positions (for pre-employment, but not legislated), but only within a very narrow set of rules. After being employed, some kind of "event" will generally be required in order for a test to be administered; accident, near miss, direct observation, etc. However, just the presence of drugs is not enough to dismiss an employee, it must show they were impaired. Further, the employer must make accommodations for an employee that tests positive. In the case of a medical marijuana prescription I believe it would be very difficult to dismiss an employee.

    Again, exclude carriers, or divisions of carriers, that operate in the U.S. Due to the fact there is no requirement for drug testing drivers, who is going to bear the cost voluntarily? Additionally, there are privacy rights legislation considerations, the risk of lawsuits and/or human rights claims, etc. Testing is common in Alberta in the oil industry and certain positions in similar facilities, but Alberta is the outlier in this regard. Even then, "most" carriers do not test. Nor is it a requirement for occasional site access (as is the case with "outside" carriers).

    Given where the federal government and most court decisions seem to be going, cases like the OP's where; marijuana is prescribed by his doctor, he is monitored and never "impaired"* on-the-job, I expect he will not have a concern regarding employment.


    *Current testing for marijuana impairment in Canada is complicated and extremely expensive and there is currently no road-side test "device" that is accepted.​
     
  7. Nothereoften

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    I only run Canada and the company I work for is all over north america. Nothing has changed, I still get the same drug test as I would running into the states
     
  8. Zeviander

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    If the company is US-bonded, they are required to submit drivers for random testing. Many companies do testing regardless. Just ask during the hiring process.

    A good rule of thumb is to just stay away from any any all intoxicating substances while out in the truck.
     
  9. x1Heavy

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    In Arkansas to hold a Medical Pot License means you are too sick to hold a DOT Medical Card. In the USA you are automatically DQ from touching a big rig federally. Further in Arkansas if you are a resident card holder then your weapons are pernamently confisicated and melted. Then your information is placed into the Federal Do not Proceed database so you cannot purchase anymore.

    You cannot cross into Canada with pot anyway. There is no reason to believe America will be as welcoming at Customs they will take you in and seize the truck.

    This is based on both US Federal Schedule One for Pot and anything related to Pot in fact you are not allowed to gain or possess oils here in this state unless your doctor has prescribed it against your medical card. You can try to have oils without THC, but if any trace is in it. that's no good to you.

    There is also the matter of State Pharmacy Board Surveillance. (In real time) Combined with a National Database as well. For enforcement purposes.

    I hate to be so difficult. I am a pain patient also. Ive been offered a pot card and laughed them out of the room. Are you kidding me? HA. Surgery will fix some of it in a few weeks. The big stuff anyway. It only took them 9 months to finally reach a understanding that two of my joints are in fact fractured. One will be replaced. However the system wide arthritis will ensure I will never hold a DOT card. It's degenerative into either rhumatiod or a loss of mass in bones to where a cough will break them. Hardly anything worth going into a big truck where a bridge will break half of them.
     
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