Question about the company taking more than their cut..

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Doc Jones, Feb 23, 2014.

  1. Doc Jones

    Doc Jones Bobtail Member

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    If you go back and read my original post, you will see that I already stated that I've been given the rate on several loads and some of I even set the rate with the broker myself.. But the owners still take a big cut off the top before putting in the books and making the actual 75-25 settlement. I can document several loads that have been trimmed by 20-40% before being logged in the books.. and this is my original question.. what to do about it? I simply asked for advice from other owner operators..
     
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  3. Doc Jones

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    Illegal BrokeringIn less than 90 days, the new highway law — MAP-21 — is to be enforced in the United States. Here is what our companies are doing to comply.
    • To all shipping clients: Starting Oct. 1, it is illegal for a motor carrier working with your company to take possession of your freight for “brokering” purposes. Motor carriers are now limited to hauling your load alone, in their own tractor and trailer.
    This means that the trucker to whom you tendered the load is the only one who can come and load your cargo. If another trucker shows up, you must make out a new bill of lading in that carrier’s name and MC number [Operating Authority] and pay only that carrier.
    If you are tendering your loads to a broker or logistics company, your bill of lading can be made out only in the actual hauling carrier’s name. Brokers or logistics companies cannot be in possession of your cargo.
    Failure to comply with the new regulations means two things could happen to your company: It may be subject to the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration fine that the illegally brokering motor carrier pays, not to exceed $10,000. Or, your company may have to pay twice for the same act of transporting your load — or both.
    • To all motor carrier clients: Starting Oct. 1, it is illegal to take possession of your shipper’s cargo for brokering purposes. If you don’t have power and a trailer for that load, you cannot take possession. Only your brokerage can solicit the shipper for the arrangement of transportation, and only your brokerage can invoice that shipper for that move.
    All motor carriers, even the largest in the nation, can take possession of freight only with their equipment, which may include owner-operators.
    Every form of “truck brokering” is outlawed. The only brokering allowed after Oct. 1 is licensed property brokering by your own separate brokering company established for brokering with a separate MC number, different company name, Federal Employer Identification Number (FEIN), address and phones, etc. Your motor company is barred from “brokering” as you knew it in the past.
    • To all our brokering and brokering agent clients: Starting Oct. 1, it is illegal to take a load from another broker or a trucking company. You can arrange transportation only for a shipper, as defined, including forwarders, customs brokers and others named in MAP-21 who are in possession of cargo.
    Double brokering is prohibited, and the penalty shall not exceed $10,000, if discovered. You must take steps to ensure that the motor carrier you brokered the load to is the one that shows up for the cargo tendered. You are a “shipper” by law, not a carrier, and are subject to failure-to-comply stipulations of the shipper listed above. You can solicit shippers only to “arrange” transportation. You cannot be in possession of that cargo. You cannot insure that cargo, except contingently. You cannot be a party to the BOL as a carrier. You cannot take a beneficial interest in that cargo.
    Everyone knows that the brokering taking place today, i.e., truck brokering, will not be in conformance with MAP-21. The question is: How will everyone react if and when the new law is enforced? I know of two states actively researching MAP-21 as a new source of much-needed revenue.
    Is everyone ready to change the way they broker freight?
    Here we go!!!!! Looks like a $10,000 fine to me..
     
  4. EZX1100

    EZX1100 Road Train Member

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    in less than 90 days? seems like that didnt change much since that 90days (June to October is 90 days) has long passed. it is about 210 days till October 1
     
  5. Doc Jones

    Doc Jones Bobtail Member

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    And your point is?????
    The law is in effect, is anybody following it? probably not..
     
  6. EZX1100

    EZX1100 Road Train Member

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    that was my question (point)

    but let me and you not put a 30min break, that gets enforced IMMEDIATELY
     
  7. Doc Jones

    Doc Jones Bobtail Member

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    Amen my friend...
     
  8. BAYOU

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    It happens everyday a customer has 100 loads and can't cover them all they send a email out to there so called carriers they work with do you think there giving the loads for the same price? No they take a cut of the top than what I call sell it to someone else.

    If anyone besides the first carrier is making money off the load I call that double brokering!!!
     
  9. Doc Jones

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    You're absolutely right, the law above, states that a broker can take a load from a shipper and sell it to a carrier only! not another broker! Sadly that's not the way it goes most of the time.
     
  10. BAYOU

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    No because LS mercer company's like that get it and never goes on there truck they take a cut and broker it to someone else Tennessee steel haulers does this all the time and that's a fact!!
     
  11. rollin coal

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    Some of the best paying loads I ever hauled were brokered to me from another carrier who had the freight directly. I think this rule or whatever it is really unnecessarily mucks things up with onerous regulation. Takes away the flexibility of a carrier to broker out freight and service their customer when they need to. In the real world sometimes things are out of a carrier's control, like maybe their truck broke down and they have no others around - solution broker it out to a trusted partner carrier and keep the customer happy. Why in the world does a broker need to get involved UNLESS the customer is concerned the carrier might not cover it and decides to also send it out to some brokers? Whatever. It doesn't matter just cover the load. This seems like some knee jerk feel good stuff. I'd rather work with an asset based broker any day of the week. Of course I don't discriminate and gladly work with non asset based also when the money motivates me. One little thing that always gets overlooked in these arguments, the owner of the truck always has a choice.
     
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