Question For O/Os regarding expenses

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by crackinwise, Oct 8, 2012.

  1. crackinwise

    crackinwise Medium Load Member

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    What you mentionabout the inframe is why I explored the idea of getting a newer truck and front loading costs into payments and a warranty. When you purchase a truck for $25000 and face the high probability of spending 60% or more of the value of you purchase price on a repair you have to think about if its worth it. What if I just spent $15000 or 20000 more on a newer truck. Would the initial higher cost allow me more time through depreciation and not being out of service with repairs to earn the money to make up the difference and be ahead faster?
    So if I spend money on a great dog and he gets sick I take him to the vet and spend more money to get him well but if I buy a hamster .....well either the hamster gets well on its own or it dies. My hamster does not get a visit to the vet...lol Thats a terrible analogy :biggrin_25513:
     
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  3. crackinwise

    crackinwise Medium Load Member

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    So this leads me to my next point. I dont know what you paid for your truck but I broke out the calculator and added up expenses and I get $7762.00 in repairs. So if you bought the truck for somewhere in the $25000 range thats around 32% of your purchase price. My point being if cheaper trucks cost this much in repairs regularly then you are essentially re buying the truck over and over again. This is where the business model gets confusing to me. Maybe confusing is the wrong word but its a tough question to answer because in order to strat this business you want to keep overhead low. But in order to do that you are most likely to buy a truck that has a low initial price but may cause your expenses on the repair side to sky rocket.

    If I were starting a manufacturing company Id need a building to work in but I probably wouldnt buy a building that was going to cost me 30-50% of my capital expenditure just to maintain the property. In trucking the deck is stacked against an O/O either way.. spend a lot on a truck or spend a lot on repairs. So here is the next question...... Is there any business model that uses the expense of a new truck or close to new truck to offset the high repair costs of older model high mile trucks?
    If I had to take a survey Id say that so far 100% of O/Os purchase a used truck to start their busness' and 0% go with a new truck. Is that a fair assesment?
    And by O/Os I mean the little guy running 1 truck maybe 2.
     
  4. MNdriver

    MNdriver Road Train Member

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    I am looking at maybe an oil change this month for repairs.

    New trucks will eventually cost you as much. In the end, you've spent an additional $60,0000 basically for paint.

    That how I have looked at it.
    The other expenses, tires, brakes ect are all going to be there.
     
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  5. crackinwise

    crackinwise Medium Load Member

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    Im in agreement.. but when you look at it all the repair costs other have encountered it seem like you re purchase the truck over and over again. Maybe there is some one out there that has bought new and can list some numbers. Just from an accounting stand point it seems logical but reality is a different animal. From wht Ive found out so far the issue is in the freight rates. New trucks are just so expensive you cant get rate to justify the cost.
     
  6. fortycalglock

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    Just because you spend more on the initial purchase does not mean you'll spend less on hidden repairs in the beginning when dealing with used trucks, no matter the year. MNdriver bought his truck and trailer sight unseen, across the country. I'm sure he did a good inspection but it's always nice to bring the prospective truck to your trusted mechanic. A new truck is 120,000+ so it's hard to justify purchasing one over a 40-50,000 one and putting 10,000 in it to get it up to snuff. They make the same amount of revenue, just one is half the price or more, as you don't get many options on a 120k truck. Another thing to remember is this isn't a car. Cars today are fantastic as far as maintenance goes compared to the ones built 20 years ago. Well, trucks are maintenance hogs, brand new or 10 years old. Even if you buy new, you need a maintenance fund. So where is all of that revenue coming from to buy the new truck. Since you'll be a first time o/o and you don't really know, that's a heck of a gamble. The best thing to do is plug your numbers into a spread sheet and see what it says
     
  7. crackinwise

    crackinwise Medium Load Member

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    I am in agreement with you. Ive been searching and I can not foind a single example of an O/O buying new to start a company. Im guessing that an O/O might buy new if they were well established and had contracts in place to haul a certain amount of frieght and could justify the cost. Clearly it wouldnt work as a new O/O.

    The question came to mind because of the extremely high cost of maintenance and repairs. My orginal thought was if I buy a truck for 25k and in year 1 put in 15k in repairs maybe it would be better to spend more and get a truck with less years and less miles. I know that a major repair can come up on any truck but since its all a gamble the odds would be best with the new truck. Even if that major repair was deferred to year 2 those extra miles in year 1 would increase your overall chances of success. Year 1 in this business is so important it seems. You have to survive that first year and maybe the impact of a major repair is lessend after paying all of year 1 bills...

    That was the thought process behind newer truck vs older truck
     
  8. fortycalglock

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    IMO finding a truck with a fairly recent rebuild will help alleviate some of the risk you're concerned with. There are many threads on how to buy a used truck, but basically if you get thorough independent inspection, have an oil sample done as well as a dyno, you should be alright. I could buy a new truck tomorrow and be fine, but it would cut into my profit some and my home time as there would be no more taking jan and feb and June off. 80,000 miles per year wouldn't cut it. No thanks.
     
  9. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    We are starting to see some downward pressure on truck prices. A little sooner than I had expected but between softening demand on exports, some major carriers getting aggressive prices to shorten the replacement cycle (most had moved to 4 & 5 years from the typical 3-year we say in the middle of the last decade), shrinking of fleet size and small CA carriers getting the real price of retro-fit we are now starting to see the beginnings of air coming out of the truck price bubble.

    And we are also seeing new truck prices coming down into the $120's.

    All this is moving things back to a normal price/maintenance structure. If things keep keep moving in the current direction we will soon be back to where a person can buy a million mile truck and afford to drop a rebuild in it and be ahead of the game.

    But we still have the wild card that hasn't been played - CARB.
     
  10. jeff611

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    In all of this, is the difference in the cost of insurance on new vs used significant enough to make a difference? I realize state by state and individual to individual makes a difference but did anyone compare and was it a large (%) difference?
     
  11. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    The insurance company you go with is going to have a rate (percentage of value) they use. And that rate will not change if you are insuring $5k or $50k. It is a factor but minor one.
     
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