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Question regarding GVWR for a friend.

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Money-Mike, Feb 20, 2019.

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  1. Feb 20, 2019 #1
    Money-Mike

    Money-Mike Light Load Member

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    Posted this in the flatbed forum but this might be a better spot for it

    Hello all, hope someone can answer this question. Friend of mine hauls construction equipment for another small company. His truck was pretty much on its last leg (1990's Pete) so the owner went out and picked up a newer 2012 tractor. He was going through the registration stuff to set up his binder the way he likes (Reg, Insurance card, Permits, etc) and noticed that the GVWR on the reg was only 50k instead of 80k. We haul similar things around 10-15k lbs (lifts, backhoes, etc) but occasionally have to throw up a wheel loader that has an operating weight of almost 40k. I know that when I haul 6 concrete deadmen I weighed in at almost 73k in my setup. He wants to know if he needs to tell the owner that he wont drive it with a loader on it and to return that rig because he doesn't want to get screwed by the long shlong of the law should he get pulled into a weigh station or roadside inspection. I've only driven 80k declared vehicles so I didnt want to give a hard answer without some additional input, but I was leaning towards that just seems sketchy. Thanks in advance
     
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  3. Feb 20, 2019 #2
    Woodys

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    When I worked for Central Transport they would do this. Majority of their trucks were registered for 60k and a few at each terminal would be registered for 80k. I ran one of the 80k trucks for night line haul, and GUESS who had to sit around at our company's meet point and wait all night for the heaviest load because all the other trucks were 60k?? Yeah, not cool.

    Would sucks to get pulled into a scale because you're grossing 81.5k and then the scale master has you bring in your 50k registration with your bills. Yikes!
     
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  4. Feb 20, 2019 #3
    Money-Mike

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  5. Feb 21, 2019 #4
    REALITY098765

    REALITY098765 Road Train Member

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    The three axles on the truck are good for 50.000 lbs. Add a trailer for another 22 - 40.000 lbs.
    What are the licence plates registered for.
     
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  7. Feb 21, 2019 #5
    Money-Mike

    Money-Mike Light Load Member

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    That's what he wants to find out. The license plate is on that reg just before the combined gross.

    In my understanding "combined gross weight" is the most the truck along with any trailer and load can weigh. Which on that reg would be 50k.
     
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  8. Feb 21, 2019 #6
    REALITY098765

    REALITY098765 Road Train Member

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    It also says 3 axles so can't pull a trailer either I guess'
    The OP said tractor but maybe a straight truck so IDK the answer.
     
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  9. Feb 21, 2019 #7
    OldeSkool

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    Call the DOT office and ask to speak to an officer. I prefer that method to learning on the side of the road face to face with him.
     
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  10. Feb 21, 2019 #8
    wis bang

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    I ran into this registering brand new tractors. The MSO said 50K and to register them under IRP @ 80K we had to run back to titling and have the weight raised on the title to 80K [for an added fee] then go back to IRP.

    I don't know if the 50K is a manufactures way of beating an excise tax or what. I do know the Federal highway use tax applies at 55K and up.......
     
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  11. Feb 21, 2019 #9
    REALITY098765

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    If the manufacturer say 50000 that's the maximum the vehicle by itself
    can weigh. If you add a trailer the truck can still only weigh 50000 and the trailer can take the rest.
     
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  12. Feb 21, 2019 #10
    REALITY098765

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    This includes the unloaded vehicle weight, all fluids, cargo, optional equipment and accessories. The tow vehicle and trailer each have a GVWR. Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR): is the maximum permissible combined weight of the towvehicle and the trailer together when they are fully loaded for travel.
     
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