Questions...paper logs.....

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by TigerShark, Mar 2, 2016.

  1. TigerShark

    TigerShark Medium Load Member

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    Forgive my "newbieness" on this but on the cb this morning heard some guys talking about "15 here and 15 there" on paper logs......

    1. If you only log 15 at a unload/hook/drop/load....and it really takes 2 hours.....and you go sleeper....doesn't that still tick off time from your 14?

    2. If so, what are you really saving besides 2 hours on duty you won't need anyway?

    3. I can see how trimiming 15 minutes back from starting your break could gain you 15 minutes...but the off chance you roll into a scale and they say oh you went on your 30 ten minutes ago you'd be screwing yourself.


    I'm guess I'm confused as to this whole fudging thing. I run elogs and fudging to me seems like a waste if your only getting 15 minutes or so?
    And for the life of me I can't see how old boys used to run 2 log books that seems impossible.
     
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  3. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    When you run 2 log books, you run one for that day and show it to law enforcement if asked, but that's not the one you send in at the end of the day to your company, right ? When you're done and parked for the night, you make up a new one that you send in.

    Showing 15 min for load/unload saves your available hrs that you have. However, be aware that any intelligent law enforcement knows that you can't do a drop/hook that quick. So I advise you mix it up on your logs. Show some 15 min times but also show 30 or even an hour mixed in.
     
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  4. Chinatown

    Chinatown Road Train Member

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    I ran two logs most of my career but wouldn't do it today though because not worth the risk of heavy fines and liability if something goes wrong.
    Keep one log that looks legal to show law enforcement officers and one to use when not at the scales or pulled over by a trooper.
    Shaving time off stops by just showing 15 minutes instead of 2 hours adds up to lots of hours at the end of the day or week. Stuck in traffic for hours; don't worry, just average your driving time @ 55 mph at the end of the day and that wipes out all that sitting in traffic.
    Pull in to truck stop for that 10 hour break and adjust the logs and "wow" only have to sit there for 3 hours vs. 10 hours.
    Dozens of ways to make it work. Even carry blank "bills of lading" and keep one filled out to match the false logs concerning pickup and delivery times then throw the fake one away after making a delivery.
    Those days are over and that's a good thing!
     
  5. TigerShark

    TigerShark Medium Load Member

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    Seems like a pain I guess a few extra minutes could get you to a truck stop or safe place though. That's about the only reason I'd see fit.
     
  6. Longarm

    Longarm Road Train Member

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    Yes

    Your 70. When you find yourself 2 hours from home and 0 on your 70 you'll get it.

    Creative Logging 101. Don't show a 30 minute break 10 minutes before hitting an open coop.
     
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  7. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    Being a newbie. And only trained on computer. And will probably never run paper. He'll never understand. His opening statement blows out of proportion. Its not that bad and not that hard to do. And having a laptop. Makes the job much easier then the old days of constandtly running out of crayons. Quite frankly, i dont see how you all survive with a babysitter on your dash. In the end. We're all going to be cluttering the highways because we ran out of hours for whatever circumstances that just can't be trip planned for. It's already happening.
     
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  8. cnsper

    cnsper Road Train Member

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    Man, you must be slow. I do it every day. I have pulled 3-4 different trailers in one day and yes you can switch trailers in 15 minutes. It does not take as long as you think if you have a system.

    Snap under the trailer hook up the air lines, release the trailer brakes and do your inspection. Dropping the trailer is even faster.
     
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  9. rachi

    rachi Road Train Member

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    He was saying not to have a pattern day in and day out showing 15 min on a drop and hook, etc. Mix it up a little. Even if it really only takes 15 minutes the dot aint gonna believe it day after day.
     
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  10. TigerShark

    TigerShark Medium Load Member

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    Actually d*ck, I was trained on paper logs just was not trained on cooking them. Because Im a newer driver doesn't mean I'm a wheel holding idiot. It was some simple ####ing questions about what it actually could gain you, and how it would work for someone like me "a newbie idiot driver who will never understand and has to be baby sitted clogging up the roadways while your smoking pall malls and jerkin to your ex wife who left you for your brother", or if it's even worth the risk of doing anymore. So take your finger, shove it and eat ####.
     
  11. TigerShark

    TigerShark Medium Load Member

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    Exactly, all I was trying to get at is....it's still a 14 hour day, just with a little help it can gain you some breathing space loading, unloading, drop and hooks etc. Where as electronic is just what it is. Sorry I'm a little pissed at snow's comments, no room for that disrespect.
     
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  12. cnsper

    cnsper Road Train Member

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    What they do is move the start time from say 8 am to 10 am, that is what it gains them on the 14 and 70. Let's say they drop a trailer and hook to another and back into the dock and it takes 2.25 hours to load. Well they log 15 minutes for a drop and hook and then move their start time back 2 hours to gain that time back on the clock.

    Just like it when showing up to drop a piece of equipment with the RGN. Show 15 minutes to drop the load (goes really fast when there are 4 guys waiting on that excavator and they remove the chains for you;)). Then you have time for your 30 in there too.

    But then that would be illegal.
     
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