Rate formula?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Largecar359, Aug 23, 2014.

  1. Largecar359

    Largecar359 Road Train Member

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    I've heard a lot of different rate formulas over the years, most work and some don't. I have a family member that just became an O/O. I think he is still stuck in that company driver mind set, he's been running the truck at an average of 1.45$ a mile. For all miles loaded empty and bob tailing home at end of the week. I've been telling him that it's far too low, but for the past few months he's been running for it. He had the turbo let loose over this past week, I ended up giving him one of mine off the shelf until he has money to pay me back. With what he's been getting rate wise I'm pretty sure the company will go under b4 I see my money. ( which is fine) but I told him this would be the last time I loan parts to him until money comes. What do you guys average for all of your miles per week. 2.25$ for all miles? More or less? And are you comfortable with your numbers, do you struggle to make mortgage or is everything sunshine and roses?
     
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  3. Nic99

    Nic99 Bobtail Member

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    I am currently enrolled in a college program. My instructor has many years of experience as an O/O and also as a company safety/compliance director.

    On more than one occasion he has stated that the minimum cost to operate a rig is roughly $1.76 per mile.

    That is "cost".

    As with any business, I would assume at least a 50% return on the cost...which would yield around $2.60 per mile charged to the customer.

    I certainly ain't no expert........but that would seem reasonable to me provided "competition" isn't driving prices down.

    Like you, I'd like to hear some "experts" chime in on this one.
     
  4. gokiddogo

    gokiddogo Road Train Member

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    Your friend isn't the elusive atrucker is he?

    As for rate formula .. just have to know what market rates are for given lanes. The key is putting together the good paying lanes. If you have enough contacts in a given market then you can really get an accurate idea of what is moving at what rate. A formula for a set amount per mile on each load will never work. The classic example is going westbound for a low rate and eastbound for a high rate. If one were to use the "2.25" or whatever for all miles, customer would surely pay you that going east. When you get to the other end he will not pay you that going west. Best to make as much as you can while you can.
     
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  5. BAYOU

    BAYOU Road Train Member

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    The first of the month I was at $2.88/all miles on 48,000 miles my CPM runs $1.40/mi
     
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  6. jbatmick

    jbatmick Road Train Member

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    I haul agricultural products in the state of Florida.Most loads are flatbed loaded one way, back empty.Pull shippers trailer. It costs me about $1.60 per hub mile to operate ( ALL EXPENSES), my truck has long been paid for.I average about $ 2.40 a hub mile in revenue, leaving me about 80 cents per mile for my pay. Of that , about a dime a mile is for taxes. I average running 4 days a week year round, home every night.Most days are about 7 hours, busy season 12. Will run about 50,000 miles this year, working 50 weeks.
     
  7. ShortBusKid

    ShortBusKid Heavy Load Member

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    I'm not sure you can even break even at $1.45 if you own the trailer and pay for all insurance, maintenance, etc. You have to figure fuel alone is going to cost .60-.80 per mile depending on where you fuel and if you have discounts.

    Im running around $2.26 per mile for all miles this month including miles to go home. I do not understand guys running for less than $2 a mile average. All they have to do is 30 seconds of research to figure out they are leaving a ton of money on the table. I'm not sure about all load boards but ITS has a Past Watch feature that you can sort by rate that was posted. Tell him to at least aim for the lowest posted rate and he'll probably gain .40 a mile!
     
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  8. Pool6710

    Pool6710 Medium Load Member

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    Honestly if I can make 1.60 a mile and I only need to pay bobtail insurance that's not too bad. I average 1.80 a mile this year and that's plenty. She makes the money in the house so whatever I profit goes to a retirement account.
     
  9. notsonewb

    notsonewb Light Load Member

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    Said it since I was a contractor , there is always someone willing to put you to work as long as you are willing to lose money , and more recently friends don't let friends run cheap freight , if enough people figure this out all our wages will slowly get better. ,
     
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  10. Pool6710

    Pool6710 Medium Load Member

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    I've been getting rates up for the last 2 years where I'm at. I can finally say there almost all reasonable
     
  11. BAYOU

    BAYOU Road Train Member

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    The thing most guys don't take into consideration is you don't pick up freight at your house and when you drop you don't reload there so your going to have empty miles and they add up fast that's why $2/mi freight is still cheap in my book it needs to be over $2.25/mi just to average $2/mi to the truck!
     
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