Rates are crashing and fuel to the moon!

Yes, but what works for you and Walmart doesn’t work for me. You don’t have city curfews from 7-9 am and 4-6 pm. But I guess when you’re a hammer, everything is a nail.

 

Then how do the LTL carriers manage it? I don't hear those drivers asking for longer work days, same pay..

 

I don’t know what LTL carriers have to do with oversize curfews. Or frankly what point you’re trying to make. I already have way more constraints on my clock than you do. A little flexibility to stop the clock would help greatly. But the truth is, you don’t have to use it. And being a private carrier you shouldn’t concern yourself with it driving rates down.

 

It's a thread about rates anybody can comment on. The point I'm making is it's about the money why drivers want flexibility and longer hours. You can make more with more flexibility but not because you got a raise or charged your customers more. You just worked longer and more for the same money? Sure, you'll gross more but your rates aren't going up. You're just in a 16, 18 or 20 hour work day now.

 

Can’t paint the industry with a broad brush. Flexibility would be huge for some, and some would work longer days all the time. If the pilot program is successful and it goes through I doubt it would even be a blip on the rates.

For me, if I’m sitting in line at a rack long enough to pause the clock I will absolutely work 16 or 17 hours to get my work done and get home. We are dispatched at night for the next day so my work load won’t change, I still have to get everything done, and I’d much rather be home than sleep in the truck an hour or less from home. And I’ve filled out a log twice in two months because I left an exempt state and I’ve found I really dislike paper logs now.

Changing the sleeper splits would help people with appointments if their schedule gets screwed up. With an ELD you won’t be able to run around loading and unloading during one of your breaks like the old days.

 

most of trucking is not dry van work/ your focus on the part you’re doing is fine, but mostly doesn’t have a righteous impact on other parts of the industry as a whole.

Zero parts of sleeper berth or split breaks or broker transparency or log books has anything to do with 90% of the guys I know in trucking in real life. Whether that law passes, doesn’t pass, gets changed: I’m not sleeping in a truck.


So I will not say it will or won’t impact rates bc I don’t have a horse in the race.

 

I can see drivers misusing it and carrier's "forcing" a driver to use the splits improperly. The current split rules are plenty flexible. If you want to talk about specific exemptions for oversize, I'm onboard, but not for general drivers.

Let's not forget this dude. He's an idiot, but there are a lot of dispatchers like this.

 

What they’re talking about with pausing the 14 really isn’t that much different than now, other than it would allow daycab guys the same flexibility as sleeper trucks. 30 minutes up to 3 hours max. Sit somewhere for 2 hours and go on about your day.

That K&B guy isn’t the brightest and they’re also a trash company. Don’t sign up for reefer work if you don’t want to be running at night.

 

Do you have a class A? If so, how long have you been driving and how do rates affect your business?

 

Remember when the ELD mandate hit in 2018? A lot of drivers pitched a fit about "needing flexibility to make any money", but then rates went up and folks were making more and working less. Driver fatigue as a principal cause of accidents dropped from 30% to 13%.

The HOS are plenty flexible.