Rates are crashing and fuel to the moon!

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Kenworth6969, Mar 3, 2022.

  1. ElmerFudpucker

    ElmerFudpucker Road Train Member

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    You are correct. Except Walmart did not sign a contract agreeing not to solicit these customers in exchange for these businesses selling Walmart products. The key word is solicit. It’s unethical for YOU to approach them.

    Now if the other party breaches the contract first, then the contract is null and void.
     
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  3. Dale thompson

    Dale thompson Road Train Member

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    . Extremely poor outlook on life I’m glad I keep better company than you.
     
  4. FloridaRetired

    FloridaRetired Medium Load Member

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    You don't sign broker-carrier agreements, do you? Are even in the spot market game?
    This ain't local plumber's union. To survive there's no room for chivalry or sentiments.

    If you were to read and agree to everything what's there and literally honor every thing they have you sign for, you would not haul for anyone. Things they want you to agree with are insane. Those things themselves attest to how "solid" their ethics are to begin with. But you sign it and accept it regardless. Because everyone else does. Otherwise, you won't haul anything. I've seen and experienced first hand enough to know that my being unethical about backsoliciting is no match on the morality scale to what they do on their end. You want to be ethically pronounced in dealing with the freight market brokers? Might as well quit. It won't work. That's reality. Not some business ethics theory group.
     
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  5. ElmerFudpucker

    ElmerFudpucker Road Train Member

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    Buddy, I’ve had my own numbers for 17 years. So your weak argument doesn’t fly with me. Honoring your word is all a man really has in life. Even when it’s inconvenient and uncomfortable. But if you can’t honor your word on something as small as this you won’t honor your word in any situation.

    The question is do you have your own numbers?
     
  6. Short Fuse EOD

    Short Fuse EOD Road Train Member

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    Does this have an effect on the contracts? A contract is not valid if it’s not lawful.

    FTC Announces Rule Banning Noncompetes

    I’m not a lawyer, I just hang around here and drive truck every now and then..
     
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  7. ElmerFudpucker

    ElmerFudpucker Road Train Member

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    I think it has more of an effect on actual brokers and agents. Most big brokerages (Tql and chr) have their employees sign non compete agreements. That is totally unfair. The carrier is signing a back solicitation clause. Which is fair.
     
  8. FloridaRetired

    FloridaRetired Medium Load Member

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    I don't see it as a matter of honor not to compete for business based on some broker agreement obscure paragraph that may or may not be there. And they have you sign it without any recourse. Besides, the clause about not solicitation lacks ethics in itself. It's an unethical idea to begin with.

    Those brokers I knew well personally and with whom the game was fair and square, I would do no harm. As I said, it is not always black and white.
     
  9. ElmerFudpucker

    ElmerFudpucker Road Train Member

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    I should say the language is some of the non competes is unfair
     
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  10. ElmerFudpucker

    ElmerFudpucker Road Train Member

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    Do you own and operate a trucking company? It’s a fair question since you brought it up.
     
  11. FloridaRetired

    FloridaRetired Medium Load Member

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    Yes, I do. Still do.I am not fully retired. Sometimes I even drive.
    I know what I am talking about. I know the game in and out.
     
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