Reasonable expectations for HOS?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by GiantBeard, Nov 18, 2015.

  1. GiantBeard

    GiantBeard Medium Load Member

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    I'm a driver for a small farm, and I'm at odds with the company over the hours they expect me to work.

    It's all intrastate, in California, so I get that extra hour on the road, but I'm still having issues making the trip without going over the line.

    I'm expected to leave around 5pm from Indio, CA, to San Francisco, by about 7am, and continue another hour north for loading in Petaluma.

    It's about 530 miles to the first stop, taking anywhere from 1 to 3 hours to unload and be inspected. Another 60 miles to the farm, and they want it all the same day, done by noon.

    Im speeding, driving with two tiny breaks, and if I don't hit the 580, by 3am, around 400 miles in, the traffic adds another 2 hours.

    Am I being unreasonable in trying to tell them that I don't think I can make their time schedule?
     
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  3. G.Anthony

    G.Anthony Road Train Member

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    you can try and tell them. just be prepared for them to say "all our other drivers did it"
     
  4. GiantBeard

    GiantBeard Medium Load Member

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    I've been with these guys for four years, just not driving their semi. The other driver did do it, but I'm not just some guy sending money back to Mexico for an early retirement.

    Worst case scenario, I'll just tell them to deal with it.

    I just wanted some input. Do you guys really put down your actual hours in these ###### books? I'm trying to keep it legal, and its just not happening.
     
  5. G.Anthony

    G.Anthony Road Train Member

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    in my current job i have it easier, as i work under 45 hours per week. when i ran the road, i never needed more than the one logbook. i was able to get the loads from MA, to Richmond, VA in less than 10 hours, which back then, we had the 10 hour driving rules.

    when we had to go to the far corner of MA and pick up rolls of paper for the cigarette companies in VA, we were supposed to take our 8 hour break, as we would never be able to log that longer trip.

    since there were NO DOT scales for us to worry about past the DC area, we'd just get a motel slip (we ran day cabs), and get the loads down to VA. Company did not care, to spend something like $29.99 for a motel room we never used, to get the freight down south the same day.

    illegal most certainly, but we liked our pay, the company kept us busy, and if we wanted time off, we got it with a smile.

    all i can say is, we did what we did, back in the day. how anyone does thier job this day and age is up to him/her.

    as i said earlier, i only had ONE logbook......never more than ONE....

    however....."backing up" a log, became common practice.
     
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  6. damutt

    damutt Road Train Member

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    yes/no the times are correct when dot looks at it :) i will say no more
     
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  7. GiantBeard

    GiantBeard Medium Load Member

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    That settles it then. Still late, yes. But not as late as the stupid Feds would like it to be.
     
  8. Dave_in_AZ

    Dave_in_AZ Road Train Member

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    This is the thing. If something happens, and your not legal, some lawyer is gonna down load your electronic information from the truck, and the company, and you could wined up in the bar hotel. And the company is going to throw you to the wolves in that situation. " All our drivers are held to the highest standard, this guy is just some rogue maniac violating DOT rules to make money." Believe it. I just left a company that was outlaw trucking.
    Watch that video someone just posted that shows the car getting hit, the car rolls, and there isn't a thing the driver can do, hope he's ok with his log.
     
  9. GiantBeard

    GiantBeard Medium Load Member

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    Ugh. Yeah. ####. It's like the whole angel and the devil on your shoulder routine from the old cartoons.

    So you're saying that good on paper won't do me any good if I'm involved in an accident?
     
  10. Wooly Rhino

    Wooly Rhino Road Train Member

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    The thing to do is to tell your boss that it is UNSAFE for you to meet their expectations. Once you mention safety, if they fire you, you sue. If they are smart, they reduce their expectations to more realistic goals.
     
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  11. G.Anthony

    G.Anthony Road Train Member

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    here we go... the sue route.

    all they have to say is, he was TOLD to do it right, and he did it his way. he's got nothing in writing he was told "do this or else".....if anything at all, it is all verbal, also known as hearsay.
     
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