Replacing a Spring Brake Chamber

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  1. SprintCar

    SprintCar Light Load Member

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    I understand all of this but no one seems to understand the question I am posing.

    My OLD Chamber was just a single chamber so there was NO spring preload on it to act as a parking brake. If I simply install the new Dual Chamber without the spring caged (a given amount?), it would not have any spring preload on it to act as a parking brake. There has to be a given dimension of some type so that the spring will apply the brakes with no air in the system.

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  3. beltrans

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    It is not going to work IMO... Without air supplied to an emergency section the rod will be extended all the time as if your brakes applied.
     
  4. Catliner

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    I always caged them, and let them out on the ground, then measure how much is out then cut your new chamber push rod the same way. Be sure of where it need to be before cutting it. I always replaced the whole chamber because they look much better, the springs in the chamber are new, stronger and will hold better and when the DOT gives you an inspection 1 rust crack on the old can may put you OOS. this is a chamber i took off a Truck last month that we bought http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums...14c-1b0810fddb54_zps42b27bc2.jpg?t=1390076485 http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t552/oneway_towing/CAM004291_zpsd682430e.jpg?t=1390076403
     
  5. Catliner

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    Measure your axle that does have the Spring brake and simply duplicate it. Add the Spring release Air lines and that is all.The only thing that's different on yours is No Emergency line with a single chamber
     
  6. beltrans

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    I do not understand a reason to cage chambers before removing and then before installing. Never done it before that way
     
  7. Catliner

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  8. Studebaker Hawk

    Studebaker Hawk Road Train Member

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    Before you install anchor lock(2 chamber brake assemblies) by extending the emergency air lines to the new chambers, consider the fact that your truck likely has a 4 channel ABS system now. I don't think it is recommended to modify the system. You can check to see if you have a 4 or 6 channel system by checking which wheel ends have the speed sensor and in turn an exciter ring on the hub. If it is a 4 channel system, a wheel lock up/release cycle on a properly controlled wheel will also attempt to do it on your newly modified wheel end with results hard to predict. Even if it is a 6 channel system, the 2 chamber assemblies react differently than a single chamber assembly. i don't think a dealer would attempt a modification like this.
     
  9. Catliner

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    Its an option you can get at a dealer, It works well with ABS.
     
  10. SprintCar

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    My truck currently only has ABS on the steer axle and rear drive axle. I didnt want to complicate this topic with other details but I guess I will since people have brought it up. I removed the forward Drive Axle (singled the truck) so I need to place the Two Chamber Brakes that were on the Forward drive axle on to the Rear Axle since the current set up has only service brakes on the rear drive axle. The ABS is a non issue.

    The whole thing is there is NO WAY you just hook up the clevis to the rod and hook it up to your Slack Adjusters without either Air to the system and/or the brakes caged a certain amount to retract the rod a given amount so that when either the air is released or the caging pins released you have the spring pressure applying a braking force to your drums. If the brake rod coming out of the chamber is fully extended when you adjust the clevis so it fits your slack adjusters there is no spring pressure applied to the brakes and you will have no Parking Brake! That is an unavoidable fact, that there has to be a pressure exerted on the brake shoes to the drum if you want to have a parking brake applied. So you either have to have the rod retracted by air or the spring changed X amount to have the parking brakes work!
     
  11. WitchingHour

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    I do it when installing mainly for convenience... depending on the model of truck and slack adjuster, the slack adjuster sometimes gets in the way when you try putting it on uncaged.
     
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