Restricted Class A Confusion - Pulling a Trailer with Air Brakes

Are you sure that a restricted class a does not allow you to pull a trailer with air brakes?? Since the air brakes are an endorsement and not a licence class of licence... If you took your A and got a restricted licence it would just not allow you to drive a tractor-trailer unit.. Your weights would probably be restricted as to what you can pull..

I am not 100% sure about this but I am 85% sure.. Maybe someone wil come here and verify this but like I side the air-brakes are an endorsement.. Anyone can have air-brakes on their licences.. If I had my G and for some reason wanted air-brakes there is nothing stopping me from going to the ministry to get it...

Worst case you go to a driving school and use a tractor trailer unit... They will set you up with a refresher test and then take you to the ministry test. Of course you will have to pay money for it but at least your A class will not be restricted... Probably cost you like $200-300 to do this.. I took a refresher course because I was out of the truck for a few years and applied to a tractor-trailer position within my work. We have to take somewhat like a ministry test with our fleet serviced department and I wanted to make sure I was good to go for my test... Cost me around $200 or something like that..

 

I have been told only pintle type trailer allowed is a pup for a dump truck but that isn't written anywhere either. Few years back I was given the requirements from the testing place and it showed that. Can't find that paper any more. It seems they have rules even they don't know how to answer.

The problem is they contract out road testing to Serco DES Inc. So the people giving the test and answering your qestions if you go and ask aren't government people. Just subcontractors who are prob getting paid 10 bucks an hour and treated like crap by their employer...

If you do look around you will find these requirements for a full AZ.

• A tractor equipped with manual transmission;
• A fifth wheel coupling;
• A single trailer having an overall length of 45 feet; and,
• A full air brake system on both the tractor and the trailer.

When due for a re-test I think you are allowed an auto otherwise need to comply with that.

 

Found this about that,

No.Under the HTA it is an offence for a Class A driver with a restriction to operate a vehicle which requires a Class A licence. This includes:

• a motor vehicle pulling double trailers; or,
• a motor vehicle pulling a trailer with air brakes.

As such, the new restrictive condition prevents holders from driving full-size tractor-trailers. Vehicle owners are also prohibited to permit a person to operate a motor vehicle in contravention of a licence condition, including the "R" condition.

 

If I'm not mistaken you can take the air brake course offered by the Ontario Safety League and the practical there will grant you the Z endorsement. It's a way around your dilemna

http://ontariosafetyleague.com/forms/z_endorsement.aspx

 

Welcome to my dilemma except I'm 40 years younger and looking to upgrade from D to A. I refuse to get an A restricted license. The way I see it, Im just as valuable with a D as an A(R) licensed driver!

Very curious to see if anyone has some written knowledge of this situation!

 

The only restricted class "A" ever seen one time is when some one took a semi with a automatic transmission and trailer to a test and could not drive a standard transmission.

Or if the truck and trailer has a electric-hydraulic breaking system and not a air brake system.

To get a un-restricted class "A" you need a semi with a standard transmission and trailer. Both must have an air brake system.

 

you forgot at least a 45 foot fifth wheel trailer is also required. no pintle or ball hitches allowed.

 

53 foot is the normal length to bring to MVR in most areas now.