Retiring from the Army next year, ready for another career

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Jsaz, Jul 14, 2017.

  1. Jsaz

    Jsaz Bobtail Member

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    This is my first post so an intro would be appropriate. My name is Jimmy and I am 39 years old, retiring from the Army next year with 21 years of active service. I am very interested in trucking, more so the owner/operator aspect. Here is why- I have pretty much been a leader/ the boss for the better part of 17 years, and I like the idea of being my own boss. I am a bit of a gearhead, so regular maintenance wouldn't be too much of an issue for me. I realize I will have to work for another company for a year or two to gain some experience, which I am all about- I need it. My family fully supports me being gone a lot for the next two years, and we are used to time apart- after 5 deployments and all the field time etc- we NEED time apart. We work better that way. I also don't need to make a ton of money to survive, between my retirement and putting money in the right places over the years, I will be 100% debt free when I am done, plus a little bit in savings.

    I had my CDL in 95 and 96 moving heavy equipment for a construction company so I am not entirely unfamiliar to trucks. Granted it was a 1976 pete with a 8V92 Detroit and 15 speed- so it has been a while. I can get my CDL back with a driving school through tuition assistance before I retire so that isn't a problem.

    I have a friend that runs an end dump trailer and does very well for himself, but still deals with a broker. He has made enough connections that he can run completely independent now, but fears the dreaded ELOG. He feels that the dump trailer is very versatile and a great trailer to run. I want to drive for a while and get a taste for what's out there. Who knows, I may hate it and never set foot in a truck again, but I doubt it.

    So with that being said, where would you start? Dry vans? Flatbeds? Reefers?

    Also, I would be looking for a used truck and I love the 379 Petes and W900L Kenworths as far as looks, but seems they still bring quite a bit of money for an 06 and down, maybe because they are pre-emission trucks? I like Volvos also, but have heard parts can get a little expensive at times? I guess, what would you stay away from? Anything out there with an absolutely terrible maintenance/dependability reputation? I know there are tons of other threads etc, I have read a few of them, just wanted to ask my questions.

    The end goal is to pay cash for a truck and trailer, and have flexibility in my schedule.

    Thanks!
     
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  3. Chinatown

    Chinatown Road Train Member

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    Where will your location be after retirement? This concerns the hiring area you will be in for various companies.
    www.OOIDA.com is a business website for the owner-operator, so take a look at that website.
     
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  4. RollingRecaps

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    To answer your truck question. Me personally If i had to have a new truck with the new truck smell i would order a glider with a 12.7 with 500hp detroit. But if shopping used i look for 1998 to 2003 . I love detroit, so everything would have a 12.7.detroit no questions asked. But if you live in California you can't have either of my prefrences.
     
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  5. Jsaz

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    No new trucks for me, too much money! I am currently in New York, but I own a house in Windsor, CO which is where I am going back to in a year. I would really like to find a sexy 389 pete or w900l kenworth, but I cant ignore the price point of used Volvos. Quite a few guys say the volvo trucks are pretty reliable, the other half bash them because parts are expensive. Maybe they are talking for a volvo engine, but the Cummins is another option.......
     
  6. x1Heavy

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    You are fixing to get into a war between emissions trucks that are a certain model year built versus the old iron that was built prior to a year. Your war will be also with Elogs with certain trucks that are built after a certain year with enough computer power to process same. Older trucks will sell at a price way beyond what you will expect old iron to because there will be companies seeking to bypass the Elog mandate by keeping older equiptment that cannot run Elogs on purpose.

    IT is not a career in the sense you might think of it. Your first year out here on the highway will be a dangerous time because you can and will be fired for anything that is preventable, your fault. And records are kept in your name via PSP, DAC services and others with one purpose. The bigger the offense you got fired for the easier it is not to hire you again in this industry. Basically a black listing system designed to keep the riff raff out.

    You will see people here on the forums who do drugs, test positive for it and learn that they cannot and will not be hired to run a big truck any time soon. As in years if ever. Trucking is a very safety sensitive industry that has to comply with so many laws that something somewhere is violated sometimes at least once a day.

    The trucking I remember is not the trucking today. It's no longer the same. The biggest thing is that training in school is barely enough to get that license, if you don't scare the examiner too bad. ANy examiner who has remained in that DMV testing big truck people wanting license would not usually scare easy. lol.

    It is not a true trained professional. It takes months or years to polish a bad driver into something close to what a professonal should be. 100 people wanna drive a truck. in 6 months 70 of them are not truck drivers any more for a variety of reasons. Out of the 30 left about 5 to 10 will still be driving trucks after 10 years. The rest would be dead, disabled or in jail etc. Or out of the industry.

    There is no rank structure in the trucking like that of the Military. When you are told to be somewhere at a certain hour and date, you will be there. If you are late and it can be proven to be your fault, you are fired and getting home from 2000 miles away is your problem now.

    There is a whole group of questions in trip planning you need to learn. Is there snow, ice or bad weather, Tornadoes forecasting? Hurricane maybe? What about heat or wild fires? Once you go past all that, you now understand you have to be somewhere to load and there is only a certain amount of time you have legally to do this work that is draining away. Versus the time you need to drive the trip to the delivery early enough to not be late. There are companies now who write drivers up for being early as bad as they are for being late. It's stupid. I rather have your trailer delivered a day early than 10 minutes too late. (*And it will be...)

    Single drivers are a liability in this industry with the HOS services. You need to be a team now to get into the money when done properly. 65K a year is not real money. Think a figure larger than 140K a year for two people on up into the 200's THAT is where you want to be in trucking. Not grubbing a 5 dollar dish of chili wondering when your next 400 dollar paycheck will hit...

    It also means to manage threats. Going into say, associated grocers in St Louis downtown at night might get your throat slit for nothing. If you are running a million dollar mckesson load due into Detroit tomorrow, it is a much less threat level. (Once you get clear of memphis...) and a way way better working environment where people say good morning, good afternoon etc to you. Because you are doing something way more valuable than hauling a basic load of potatochips into St louis...

    Good luck. But remember this. For every one of you that goes into trucking, be prepared for that unwashed person by the dozen who does not have the values for America as you do.
     
  7. Chinatown

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    Good trucking jobs are plentiful where you'll be living in Colorado. Anything you want with reefers, dry van, flatbed.
    After 12 mos. experience there's tanker jobs that pay well, such as Groendyke just north of Denver.
    Many companies websites have "experience required", but they bend the rules for high quality applicants and hire new cdl grads or drivers with less than 6 mos. experience.
    McLane Foodservice - hires new cdl grads and make about $70K+ per year starting out.
    New World Van Lines -Denver, CO -$65,000 - $85,000 a year
    Watkins-Shepard - dry van company owned by Schneider.
    Trimac Transportation - Brighton, CO - $57,000 a year. Whether you’re a recent CDL school graduate, a former military service member or an experienced driver, Trimac Transportation has the perfect career opportunity.
    System Transport - flatbed & terminal in Commerce City.
    Savage - $72,454 per year hauling diesel fuel. Some terminals haul coal, ash, limestone, petroleum coke, water, petroleum products, chemicals and sulphur.
    Navajo Express - refrigerated company headquartered in Denver.
    [​IMG] -Two new cdl grads posted, with pictures, they were hired to haul diesel and DEF to Love's Travel Stops & Country Stores. The trucks & tanker trailers are painted with Love's yellow colors and Love's decals.Gemini is the core carrier for Loves and usually require a couple yrs. experience, but, as with many companies, they bend the rules for a top quality applicant.

    OK, that's a few you can take a look at and start a list of any you're interested in.
     
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  8. fuller

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    OP, starting back as a company driver is a good idea, as you know this. It's better to get back into the "swing of things" as an employee, as opposed to on your own dime.

    Now, what works for one, doesn't work for another. Some like highway, but eventually that novelty wore off for me.

    I like to work normal hours and be home, so I own and operate my own dump & pony. Others like the highway. It is personal preference in this regard.

    If you've never owned a truck & trailer before, I urge you to have your finances WELL in order before buying anything. And I mean REALLY well.

    I actually operate a very well kept 1994 model year Kenworth W900. Non-emissions essentially, that has never really caused me much downtime. Some drivers demand new, with warranty and all that, but the emissions crap on anything 2007 (or was it 2008) and newer seems to be just a problem for guys, especially in the vocational work that I do.
     
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  9. Masshole/Noobie

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    We are soldiers dude! Trained killers. Conditioned to adapt.
     
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  10. Jsaz

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    X1 heavy, Thanks for the outlook. I see what you are saying about the attrition, I can definitely see how it is appealing to the masses, especially to the ones that are of the "shady persuasion". I can tell you, I am not one of them.

    Chinatown, I think System Transport looks like a good fit for me. I like the idea of a flatbed, and looks like a good place to learn. I appreciate the info.

    Fuller, I can assure you my finances are in VERY good order. I have worked my ### off over the last 23 years to ensure I have the flexibility I want at retirement. Not to brag, but I own my house, all my vehicles to include a few Harleys, four wheelers and toy hauler outright. I don't owe ANYONE a dime- to include my Wife's student loans, plus a nice nest egg on the side.

    As far as trucks go I definitely like the idea of a pre-emission truck. I wrestled with emissions on my 11 Dodge/Cummins, got sick of it and none of it resides in the vehicle anymore. It has been issue free for 80K miles. I have found quite a few long hoods with 3406 and C15 cats, N14 Cummins and 60 series Detroit engines for decent money. It seems that the long hood trucks hold their resale very well. I learned on an old 15 speed, so a 13 wouldn't be hard to learn, and an 18 seems to be the most flexible for different purposes. It is hard to ignore early 2000's Volvo trucks with an ISX in the 15-25K range though. I need to get out there and see what I like, and if I will even like working in the industry.
     
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