Retorquing the Lugnuts

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by camionneur, Feb 5, 2016.

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    Its simple the extension allows for some twist. Torque is off after that longer the extension the more twist you get. Pretty simple concept. If you don't believe it check it at the end of the wrench and the end of your extension. Again it's just designed to get close not exact when torquing wheels
     
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  3. camionneur

    camionneur Road Train Member

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    Great, thanks. :happy8:

    I can use the torque meter to verify if different length extensions give different results. Most comments I've read say it isn't really an issue, and obviously that's how it is done with a torque wrench on inset fasteners. I'm sure a big fat 3/4 inch bar is not going to be twisting all over the place, especially at that torque range. Impact torque stick type extensions are designed to "give" or twist at a specified torque (and get bigger around for higher torque ranges), while the standard ones are designed not to give (or simply wouldn't unless you were using the wrong size). If anything you might want to use a 1 inch drive for higher torque (which I don't think is necessary for 500 ft-lbs). Even the 1000 ft-lb torque wrenches come in 3/4 drive. The one that goes to 1500 ft-lb is 1 inch drive only, so I'd say that above 1000 ft-lb is where it would be questionable to use a 3/4 drive, as far as over-stressing the wrench or attachments.
     
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  4. rollin coal

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    3/4" drive or 1" drive isn't going to change the torque. What he is talking about is the play/slack/looseness of the extension on the torque wrench and the same thing of the socket on the extension. It's not a precision fit. That's going to affect the torque. If these were head bolts or main bearing caps then using an extension would be a no-no. Also do not put your extra hand anywhere but on the torque wrench handle do not have someone holding it on the nut. But really it's lug nuts, so not a huge deal if you are not exacting in how you use it, but still. Anyways, they won't be perfect but will be close and will all be about the same. Another thing do not ever use your torque wrench as a ratchet and most definitely do not use it as a breaker bar. Do not toss it on the ground, carefully put it away. It's an expensive precision tool treat it as such.
     
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  5. camionneur

    camionneur Road Train Member

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    No, he was talking about torsion on the extension bar (based on its length), and play wouldn't matter I think because you're taking the reading after that's been overcome and the socket is actually gripping the nut.
     
  6. bavarian

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    Sorry to say that. But allow me to ask. Are you paid per mile, per hour or per nut?
     
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    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    I trust he knows what he is talking about and I wouldn't trust head bolts to be properly torqued if someone put an extension on there. I don't know the physics but my gut tells me it shouldn't be done that way.
     
  8. GrapeApe

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    There is a torque loss when using a clicker style torque wrench, but this loss is not from what most people think Technically, there is no loss through an extension. But seeing is believing and you can actually test it. What is really happening is you get a delay in torque from the twist and the wrench clicks before all torque is transferred. You do not get this discrepancy when you use a dial or beam torque wrench. If you're going too fast, you can tell by slowly giving it a second click, if it moves a little more, slow down.

    I'm not trying to start an argument, I heard what you are saying a long time ago and believed it myself for many years, but I was wrong. When it comes to a clicker style torque wrench, the faster you go, the more torque you lose. You'll get more error with a cheap flimsy extension than you will with a good rigid one.

    This torque loss is pretty insignificant when you have a 50 ft/lb window . Set it to 500 and you'll be fine.
     
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    The click style is what I have seen them use at loves along with the non impact style extension.

    I do agree with what your saying on the beam and dial type wrench.
     
  10. camionneur

    camionneur Road Train Member

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    One every six seconds was my estimation.
    I would never adjust my nuts while driving. :biggrin_25525:
     
  11. not4hire

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    If a lug nut torque thread is good for 10 pages, one on valve stem caps should be good for at least six.
     
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